[MD] SQ patterns vs concepts

[MarshaV]

On Aug 22, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Magnus Berg wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> On 2010-08-22 13:25, David Thomas wrote:
>> On 8/22/10 4:15 AM, "MarshaV"<valkyr at att.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> Patterns existing "outside our concepts of them" seems to make it a SOM issue,
>>> but I could be wrong.  Do patterns exist as independent entities?
>> 
>> Depends. If you want to looked at them universally then, no. All patterns
>> are parts of smaller and larger patterns such that ultimately all is one.
> 
> Size has nothing to do with it. Or rather, whenever size is involved, the only aspect you're looking at is the inorganic.
> 
>> But this is not very helpful idea when trying to make breakfast. The belief
>> that supping on the concept of a egg is the same as dining on "independent
>> entity" egg in your refrigerator, will eventually will lead to the demise of
>> the pattern Marsha.  Pragmatism would say, "Yes, that it is reasonable thing
>> to believe their really is an "outside world out there" until a better way
>> of understanding that experience comes along." But there hasn't been one to
>> date. It leaves open the possibility that all is illusion, but suggests it
>> would not be prudent to act as if this is true.
> 
> To me, the MoQ says:
> 
> Since I am able to conceptualize an experience, *and* the intellectual patterns that those concepts are made of are dependent on lower and lower levels until we reach the inorganic reality of the original experience, *then* the concept is a part of the same reality in which the experience happened. And also, since that concept becomes an integral part of *me*, *I* am also a part of that same reality.
> 
> That's the MoQ equivalent to Descartes "I think, therefore I am". But since the MoQ assumes more about how reality is made, i.e. the levels, then we can also prove more using the original assumption "I think".


Marsha:
What is this 'I' you put into your statement?  Within the MoQ the self, or 'I', is a flow of static patterns of value. 


 
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