[MD] Doug Renselle & Language

[John Carl]

Krimel:



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> John:
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> The ultimate
> arbiter of fairness is the joint expectation of the players of the game.
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> [Krimel]
> Right and what they expect jointly is that flipping a coin or drawing
> straws, is fair because it is entirely a matter of chance.
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>

John:

Yes, randomness is chosen by the players, because they expect it to be
fair.  But the root of what fairness is, comes from expectation of balance -
the subjective ideas of the players - not randomness itself.  There is a
random happening, that is considered "unfair".

Like in a bit of software programming, where the programmer uses a RAND
function to achieve an overall objective, within the matrix of the program.


I'm arguing against randomness as ontologically fundamental.

However, I'm not arguing from the Hammian perspective of subjective
experience being fundamental either.  Value is fundamental, and fairness is
a species of value that we assume in our perception.


> [John]
> "And if the Son sets ye free, then ye are free indeed."
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> [Krimel]
> But what makes you free in not "the Son" but belief that the Son sets you
> free.
>


John:

True!

You're a smart guy, Krimel.



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> [John:]
> Natural selection rules!
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> [Krimel]
> The "weak and unfit" patterns tend to dies of their own accord or to live
> on
> in the Mythos mostly for some latent emotional satisfaction they provide.
> It's the strong vibrant transparent patterns that need a good thrashing
> every now and then. But good old fashioned skepticism tends helps to keep
> them in line most of the time. Execution is rarely required.
>
>
John:

Terminology disagreement.  I'll grant  you probably mean mythos as in
"historical myths" - things granted as not relevant to our modernview.
Fairy tales. But the way I understand and use "mythos" includes  the current
"modern view"   The pattern of belief by which we grasp our reality.

So any pattern that continues into the present mythos is obviously alive and
thriving.

As far as killing intellectual patterns, that's simply  ignoring them.  The
most active of passivity.

 And a good old fashioned skepticism, is exactly what the doctor orders.
Immediately and for all.

I agree completely.

John