[MD] The whole yin yang thing

[MarshaV]

John,

I reject your interpretations here.  Your conclusions seem to me like lazy cliche.  


Marsha  


p.s.  Also I might point out that yin-yang thingy was developed by a man,
or men, and the characteristics prescribed as feminine are male projection.  



On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:19 PM, John Carl wrote:

> I was caught up short recently, in a dialogue with Marsha that started to
> get heated so I thought I'd take a moment and reflect upon the deeper
> issues.  Take some time and e-valuate.
> 
> From my perspective, it bugs Marsha when observed differences between the
> sexes are explicated.  It gets a rise out of her that usually instantiates
> as "Women have been oppressed and trodden down for ages, and still are in
> many places, BECAUSE of those perceived differences - which men use to
> excuse dominating behavior."
> 
> And my immediate reaction is, "so what?"  What does this have to do with
> me?  I certainly don't believe in oppressing women because of their
> differences.  I'd probably been kicked out of my particular household long
> ago, if that were true.  So what's the point?  Am I supposed to make up for
> past injustice?  By offering a "free pass" now?
> 
> Perhaps some sort of reparations are in order?  How many years of bowing
> before the hive queen?  before the sins of the fathers are no longer visited
> upon the heads of the children?
> 
> There are no free passes in metaphysics.  Sorry.  If a pattern is
> observable, then it's existant and fair game for analysis and discussion.
> The whole division of male/female, wasn't exactly a human invention.  Nature
> came up with that one.  The fact of "division between" does not necessarily
> mean "opposition too".
> 
> It's the whole competitive sphere that gets people riled up.  The idea that
> we compete for power.  It's silly.  And dangerous. And pervasive in
> modernity,  techno-socially reinforced on every side by romantic comedies.
> 
> - but that's another story.
> 
> 
> 
> In my pause in dialogue with Marsha,  other considerations arose.  It seems
> an awful lot like she's had to deal with a lot of flack already.  Criticism
> from almost every corner, all the guys on this list except for Bo, and he
> just got excluded.  So Marsha's had to deal with a lot of rejection.  And I
> wince at piling on.
> 
> It's not fair to beat up on a girl.  My instincts resist.
> 
> 
> You have to admit, the irony is delicious.
> 
> 
> As for the whole masculine/feminine orientation of human thought, I sorta
> agree with the eastern ways of liberation, and the rest of humanity, and the
> actual division of our natural brain, that these differences are
> empirically demonstrable and metaphysically significant.
> 
> And oughtn't be swept away because of the ways these differences were used
> in the past, present or future.
> 
> See, there's a baby,  And then there's bathwater.  And a good mom knows the
> difference.  And a good man, doesn't back down, just to "get along" cuz some
> queen is having her period.
> 
> No matter how painful that "not getting along", can be.
> 
> Right is right and wrong is wrong.
> 
> And "nyet-nyet" is nothing worth mentioning.
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