[MD] The whole yin yang thing

[John Carl]

Marsha,

It seems to me if the MoQ can't extricate us out of the mire of relativism,
we're gonna be really stuck.  I think it does get us out by encouraging us
to keep trying.  Since we both take as given that Quality is real, we both
have hope of realizing it in unison when we come across it or create it via
dialogue.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Isn't your system based on correcting faulty reasoning?   Whether
> yes or no, where would insight, feeling, intuition and esthetics
> fit into this process?  Feels right to me may never feel right to you,
> but then you might claim victory based on rationality.   Where is
> the irrational or superrational a part of the system?
>
>

Victory?  The object of a finite game is to win, but this game is in no way
finite or limitable.  It's intrinsically an infinite interpretation.

The way I think feelings and intuition fit into the process, is that we
experience such, and then share that experience with each other.  Sometimes,
my experience doesn't translate easily.  But with time and effort, I think
most any feeling or intuition can be shared verbally.  I know what you mean,
about the feeling itself, but really we're not trying to feel each other's
feelings.  We're trying to understand each other's intellectual
understandings of our feelings.

Of course, intellect is just a small part of our human experience.  But
nevertheless, it's an important aspect and worthy of the attempt to get it
right.  And even with its limitations we have no other way of communicating.

Doesn't that seem right to you?

John

PS: I take it you meant "how very rational" in a derogatory way then.
Criticism of using rationality doesn't make any more sense to me than
criticism of my use of English or my use of interpretation.




> >>>
> >>> I can accept that my interpretation is invalid because it's lazy and
> >>> cliched.    I can't accept its invalid simply because it's an
> >>> interpretation.
> >>>
> >>> To me, the process has to go like this: I project, you correct.  You
> >>> project, I correct.  We keep going till it feels right.  We don't quit
> >> just
> >>> because it feels wrong.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How very rational!
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I reject your interpretations here.  Your conclusions seem to me like
> >> lazy
> >>>> cliche.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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