[MD] Pancakepsychicms and syrup that doesn't pour

[Krimel]

dmb,
I deeply apologize for my grievous error in my previous response.

I said, "Whatever..."

The ultimate source of all good things informs me this was wrong.

"Whatever is a slang term meaning "whatever you say" or "I don't care what
you say". The term is used to dismiss a previous statement and express
indifference. In the late 20th century and early 21st century, the word
became a sentence in its own right; in effect an interjection, it is used as
a powerful conversational blocking tool, leaving the responder without a
convincing retort. Anything they do or say can simply be blocked by the
retort of "whatever"."
- Wiki

Let me correct that error now:

Whatever.

Your Friend,
Krimel


In another thread, Krimel said:
.... Seriously talking about the inanimate world in terms of agency,
preference and "betterness" is a retreat into a world of spirits, and
thunder gods. Animism is universal in primitive peoples and small children.
Grown-ups ought to know better.



dmb quotes a grown-up who ought to know better,  talking about other
grown-ups who also ought to know better:


"Diderot's work D'Alembert's Dream (1769) put forth a very explicit
panpsychist view: "this faculty of sensation.is a general and essential
quality of matter" (1769/1937: 49). Throughout the dialogue one finds
repeated references to the "general sensitivity of matter." At one point he
observes that "[f]rom the elephant to the flea, from the flea to the
sensitive living atom, the origin of all, there is no point in nature but
suffers and enjoys" (ibid: 80). In the century following the French
Enlightenment, panpsychist thought developed most rapidly in Germany. Among
its more prominent advocates: Herder, Schopenhauer, Goethe, Fechner, Lotze,
Hartmann, Mach, and Haeckel."


"Charles Peirce's article, "Man's Glassy Essence" (1892), begins by noting
"[T]here is fair analogical inference that all protoplasm feels. It not only
feels but exercises all the functions of mind" (1892/1992: 343). And yet
protoplasm is simply complex chemistry, a particular arrangement of
molecules. We are therefore compelled "[to] admit that physical events are
but degraded or undeveloped forms of psychical events" (ibid: 348). Peirce
then laid out his own dual-aspect theory of mind: [A]ll mind is directly or
indirectly connected with all matter, and acts in a more or less regular
way; so that all mind more or less partakes of the nature of matter. [...]
Viewing a thing from the outside, [...] it appears as matter. Viewing it
from the inside, [...] it appears as consciousness (ibid: 349)."


"Freeman Dyson: "The laws [of physics] leave a place for mind in the
description of every molecule. In other words, mind is already inherent in
every electron, and the processes of human consciousness differ only in
degree and not in kind." (1979: 249).

David Bohm: "That which we experience as mind.will in a natural way
ultimately reach the level of the wavefunction and of the 'dance' of the
particles. There is no unbridgeable gap or barrier between any of these
levels. . It is implied that, in some sense, a rudimentary consciousness is
present even at the level of particle physics" (1986: 131).


Panpsychism enters the 21st century with vigor and diversity of thought. A
number of recent works have focused attention on it. If we look back to the
year 1996 we find two books that contributed to a resurrection of sorts.
First, Chalmers' The Conscious Mind lays out a naturalistic dualism theory
of mind in which he suggests (with an apparent diffidence) that mind can be
associated with ubiquitous information states-following Bateson and Bohm,
though without citing their panpsychist views. His relatively detailed
discussion of panpsychism sparked a resurgence of discussion on the matter,
and contributed to a wider interest."



If a position can be defeated by simply quoting a dictionary or
encyclopedia, then that position is very weak and it is very easily
defeated. 


Krimel, you need to realize that your strange mixture of smug condescension
and profound ignorance will not serve you well in graduate school. You might
not believe it, but I have absolutely no wish to see you fail or get thrown
out on your ear. But that's what's gonna happen unless you grow up and get
your intellectual shit together. You didn't ask for this advice and I
realize that it's not exactly sugar-coated but if you want to avoid
disaster, I really think you ought to re-evaluate your attitudes. If you
continue to trade in straw men and slander, I'm sure you'll be sorry. You
desperately need to find some humility or you will be humiliated. It's a
harsh truth but if it helps you avoid that kind of unhappiness, then this is
very friendly advice.
 










 		 	   		  
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