[MD] Able to change well.

[schoadabyool at talktalk.net]

Hi Ade 
 
On 2010-08-30 22:50, schoadabyool at talktalk.net wrote: 
> Re. Homeostasis. I don't think your building analogy quite hits it 
> but it's a good stab. You see, buildings don't maintain themselves if 
> you think about it. Animals and biospheres, some mechanisms, 
> computers and psychic realms do. Think of the flyball governor used 
> in steam engines as an example of mechanical homeostasis. 
 
I didn't, of course, mean a pyramid or skyskraper literally.




@ Hello Magnus, I think i understood you were using an analogy, all i wished to point out was the analogy is devoid of the essential parallel with Homeostasis.




Animals and 
biospheres are built as a pyramid, think food-chain with the predators 
on top, depending on (food-chain wise) lower animals and then plants. 
The same with each animal, if an animal cuts a nerve, it might not feel 
its toe, but it will likely function as an animal anyway. But with a 
computer, if it cuts a path between the CPU and memory, it will crash 
within a microsecond. A computer depends vitally on (almost) every part 
it's built with, i.e. skyskraper, but an animal is built with lots ans 
lots of cells, fewer organs, and very few vital organs.




@ We may be at cross purposes here. Maybe not.
I'll put it this way, a good way of describing the identity of something may be to delineate its ability to maintain itself.
This can apply to an individual animal or a biosphere.
What we end up with are Homeostatic entities within larger Homeostatic entities like the layers of an Onion.


Computers maintain their temperature with fans and this seems to be a good example of Homeostasis in action.
The fan self regulates the temperature within appropriate limits. If the fan fails or cannot cope then the computer is in danger isn't it?
Animals do the same thing. 
 
> @ In order to preserve homeostasis what's needed here is peace, 
> tranquility, calm, and ease. 
 
Not if the pyramid has a stable enough base. But if you mean here on MD, perhaps. The books are pretty stable for us, without them, we wouldn't have lasted long.




@ I like this. The group maintains itself. I think you're getting it.
There may be a static function, and a dynamic function. I don't know what these are until i think about it more.
But it makes sense to me.
Mind you, i'm feeling anxious. I may say or do something that is perceived as a threat and i may not know i've done that until it's too late. Maybe that will be down to the static function kicking in?


 
>> @ The connection with subatomic force could be analogous to 
>> complimentarity. Individuality could be viewed as a compliment to 
>> Archetypal shared unconsciousness. 
> 
> Yes, same thing, different stacks. 
> 
> Magnus 
> 
> 
> @ I don't know what stacks are. If you take the time to explain is 
> shall try to understand. Thanks Ade 
 
Stacks are introduced in this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org/msg34773.html . And there's also drawing a few posts later. 
 
Magnus


@ I will have to study this and report back.
Thanks
Ade