[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

[Arlo Bensinger]

[DMB]
As I see it, Marsha simply defies the evidence and the basic rules of 
logic. She gives no counter-evidence, makes no argument and her use 
of terms is at odds with common dictionary definitions.

[Arlo]
I've said before the SOL-ists are trapped in the morass of 
"interpretive legitimacy", and this is just evidence of this. I 
expected her typical attack and evasion, and  so it came as no surprise.

[DMB]
Clearly, it makes no logical sense to construe this as asking, "was 
subject-object science the pattern that the subject-object level was 
going to run society with?". It makes no sense to ask because a 
subject-object level would have no choice but to run society with 
subject-object patterns because no other intellectual patterns would exist.

[Arlo]
Precisely. This was my other question, if S/O is endemic of the 
Intellectual level, then by definition an S/O pattern would have to 
run society. If not S/O science, then S/O what? And how would that be BETTER?

I think its also rather telling that this (the intellectual level) is 
the only level these people believe has a "defect". What other level 
is "defective"? And I don't mean functioning improperly or needing 
improvement, I mean what other level is by definition inherently 
"flawed"? You definitely see anti-intellectual animus in all this.

[DMB]
But Pirsig is asking the question. And it is a very big question with 
a very big answer. He gives us an intellectual level that DOES have a 
provision for morals.

[Arlo]
Exactly right.