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[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

The moon was always there.
It is a false observation to believe your eye's or your senses.
The other observables/observers are keeping the moon within reality.
Think about the gravity induced by the moon,reflecting in the tides here on
earth,
The moon is the parent of this tidal effect , and by this tidal precence,the
moon stays in the range of observable reality,indirect , but not lesser.

Takes away the mysticism, keeping the reality,pragmatism,radikal empiricism
greetz, Adrie


2010/12/2 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi Marsha,
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > I understand.  Buddhism offers rationality AND meditation to understand
> > and experience for yourself.  I believe what you are pointing to is that
> > Buddhism is empty, Emptiness is empty.  Buddhism, in its rationality
> > (wisdom),
> > does not escape the reification process.   Buddhism, too, is a pointing
> to
> > the Moon.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> > [Mark]
> Yes, for communication and teaching, which was one of Buddha's clinging
> qualities, things much be transformed into words.  Such words are fingers
> pointing.  For whatever reason I don't like the Moon analogy (any more).
>  It
> implies that there is a moon.  I believe more that there are fingers
> pointing, nothing more.  But then, I may change my mind tomorrow.  If this
> moon is enlightenment, then we are already on the moon.  Maybe we should
> turn the lights on to realize it.  Maybe its fingers pointing to the light
> switch.  Maybe the moon is pointing to the fingers on the light switch.  Or
> the Moon is created by the switching of a light.  OK, now I am confused.
>  I've got blisters on my fingers!
>
> Mark
>
> >
>
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