[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

Hi , Arlo, superb stuff, good reflections, skillfull handling the material.
You are already teaching a wide range of aspects of quality, showing that at
least a number of these aspects are teachable.
Come to think of it, you became part of what is written, part of the entity.
Superb!.
Adrie

2010/12/2 ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>

> [Mark]
> I would have to say that S/O is the product of reflection.  This is where
>  the
> intellectual level  in its static form comes in.  That is, rules of
> governance.
>  In its dynamic form, it is free from S/O.
>
> [Arlo]
> Are you suggesting there are Dynamic intellectual patterns of value and
> static
> intellectual patterns of value?
>
> I think its more clear to say there is Dynamic Quality, and all stable
> patterns
> of emanating from this are what we consider "static patterns of value".
>
> Given this, the response to DQ can be inorganic, biological, social or
> intellectual.
>
> [Mark]
> So the question would be, do we let the static dominate the dynamic?  I
> would
> say, that this will never work.
>
> [Arlo]
> Would you say this is true of the social-biological boundary as well, that
> static social patterns should not dominate biological patterns of value?
>
> [Mark]
> Decisions made by the intellect are dynamic.  Learning is dynamic.  The
> Academy
> is static due to its dogma.
>
> [Arlo]
> Adherence to "dogma" is not (1) exclusive to the Academy and (2) not
> indicative
> of the Academy.
>
> If we abolish the Academy, what do you propose would take its place? Do we
> teach every possible theory or idea that comes along as equally valid? Do
> we
> more than a thousand times fold increase the amount of reading material by
> having every possible "article" by anyone published? How do you propose we
> discriminate? Do we at all? Should "Loose Changers" and "flat-earthers" be
> given spots in the curriculum?
>
> If YOU were suddenly President of Academy University, what changes would
> you
> put into place.
>
> [Mark]
> We do not want MOQ to go there.
>
> [Arlo]
> Well, you, Marsha and Platt do not, but Pirsig, me, Ant, DMB, Horse, and
> many
> others do.
>
> [Mark]
> I wouldn't say it is defective, I believe it is misinterpreted.
>
> [Arlo]
> Are any of the other levels "misinterpreted"?
>
> [Mark]
> Provision??  I can only say that intellect should be moral; morality does
> not
> have to be intellectual.
>
> [Arlo]
> Intellectual patterns are moral patterns. "Morality" does not have to be
> "intellectual", it can be social, biological or inorganic. But intellectual
> patterns are morally superior to these others.
>
> [Mark]
> This is the traditional Western view of Truth over Quality; we endeavor to
> change this through MOQ and put Quality over Truth.
>
> [Arlo]
> No one has ever proposed that Quality is subordinate to Truth. Indeed, I
> doubt
> anyone you are pointing to with this even thinks there is a "capital-T
> Truth",
> just provisionally truths as revealed via experience.
>
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