[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

118 ununoctiums at gmail.com
Thu Dec 2 10:07:10 PST 2010


Hi Arlo,
Furthering our discussion.  I have also posted a response to Horse on your
previous question.  Discussion on level static restrictions is omitted from
this post.  More below.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:

>
>
> [Mark before]
> Dogma is dangerous because it is static.
>
> [Arlo]
> Again my only comment is that, for example, non-Academic audiences of
> talk-radio can be just as dogmatic, if not more so, than those operating
> within the Academy. "Dogma" is not something exclusive to the Academy, and
> we should not confuse those outside of it as being ipso facto "open-minded"
> or non-dogmatic.
>
> Indeed, its quite demonstrable to show how disciplines within the Academy
> evolve over time, how challenges are made and high-quality ideas do
> instantiate change and progression. Perhaps this does not happen as quickly
> at times as some would like, but I am not sure of a better system. As I
> said, if you don't have a way to filter out the nonsense, the whole edifice
> collapses under the weight of an enormous noise. As Jon Stewart so correctly
> and eloquently said, "In a world where everything is amplified, nothing gets
> heard."
>

[Mark]
Yes, it would seem progress occurs in steps, at least as it is seen
historically.  A certain amount of evidence or force needs to accumulate
before moving on.  Kind of like a drop of water accumulating before
dropping.  The formation of an icicle could be a good metaphor. If it is not
too cold (static) or hot the icicle grows rapidly in length.  If it is too
cold, the icicle grows fat and short.  The same could be said
for stalactites (or is it stalagmites?) in terms of the humidity and the
percent limestone in the water.

What I have suggested before (several years) is that we can use stepwise
harmonization as an analogy of Quality.  There is a tendency for things to
harmonize and then jump, and then re-harmonize.  We have got energy slowing
down as matter, and then speeding up again as energy.  We can only assume
that it will slow down again.  I suppose this could be analogized as a
pulsing universe.  But this tendency seems to happen at all levels or size
dimensions.  The levels are a good example of this.


> [Arlo]
> I think I am trying to point only towards what is better, not what is
> "True".
>

[Mark]
OK, that makes sense to me.  It is hard to leave truth out in our society.
 For example one could ask "is it true that it is better?".  I don't want to
go there, so I am with you in terms of focussing on what is better, without
being too dogmatic.  This is a flexible discussion forum, we will not know
what it produces until it does.

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