[MD] Is this the inadequacy of the MOQ?

[Jan-Anders]

Hi Mark

What is the Value of MD, is it to wide, to crazy or does it make sense?

What was before cause and effect? The condition that made cause and 
effect possible to be. It is very hard to imagine what was before cause 
and effect was possible. But we can understand what conditions that must 
be present for any event to occur. We have raw energy (which can be the 
result of the possibility of energy into materia and antimateria), the 
mathematic connections that separates the possible combinations from the 
impossible and third, we have the time space for the energy to expand 
into building particles, molecules and unconsciuos repeated patterns up 
to the 4 levels of dynamic quality.

The I is in the centre of the 3-D pattern of quality for any event. It 
is the answer on the question "Hi there stranger, how do you choose?" 
(How do you sort your valuations?   Hey babe, what sign r u?)
  From the first choice of taking the first breath. (Not the 1st but at 
an early state for the personality. Some choose unconsciosly not to 
start breathing at birth.)
  This is the reason why most individuals see their I as an unbroken 
line based at their inner personal centre.

Every choice is between several possibilities, all with the potential to 
either increase or decrease the total value of your personal event on 
earth. The event that is as long as you live in this world.
Is something missing?
Do I have to change something in me?
How can I use what I already got right?

Breath on, tune in, drop out... T Leary

Unconscious I's, like bacterias and bible fundamentalists, their choices 
are based on their automated pattern evolved by darwinistic selection, 
different and new choice is done by mutations and succesful mutations 
are repeated as approven choices. "We're doing as usual and that's our 
distinctive feature. Mutations are evil and against the creation."

Societies are made up of material and economic volume as the mass, the 
weight of the state. The manner of the civilisation are managed by 
dogmatic instincts and legal system. Ther must also be a freedom to 
evolve into anything new. Ideas and thinking can't be regulated or sold 
as property. This is the basic theme of "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité". 
(Liberty, Equality, Brotherhood) the motto of the state of France and 
Haiti. Freedom of thinking and speech. Juridical Equality. Brotherhood 
in the economic welfare. Any enterprise is dependant of its surrounding 
partners.

Governments has to choose if they shall support the economic growth by 
mortgaging tax incomes of the year 2025 and spread the money on todays 
open market, tighten or loosing laws and taxes or spend more money on 
risky projects as NASA or the Rethoric department at the University of 
Bozeman. All in its effort to confirm the political I-dentity of the 
party in power which are supposed to be a unbroken continuation of the 
nations identity since it was born. Increasing the Value of the nation 
as an event with quality. Who knows, some day we will see a political 
party whos program is a total make over and change of the USA into a new 
France, or Haiti.

Mass, shape and effect, different sides of the coin.

Got the picture?

JA



moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org skrev 2010-12-03 08.01:
> Hi Tim,
>
> When I am busy, I look for the posts that say Hi Mark, or something
> like that.  On gmail I can only see about the first 6 words.
> Sometimes when I have more time I go back and look at others, but I
> have lots of unread email in the box.  I will keep a look out for
> rapsncows and at least open those.
>
>
>>> >>
>>> >>  [Mark]
>>> >>  Sometimes I am not that clear. ?However, the sense of self or "I" is
>>> >>  about
>>> >>  the only thing that I am sure about. ?Even my thinking happens to me as
>>> >>  something foreign. ?But the "I" is what it is all about.
>> >
>> >  [Tim]
>> >  I can sympathize with a foreign feeling to my thinking, at least
>> >  frequently: I don't know how 'new' thoughts can arise just because I
>> >  'try'.
> [Mark]
> Yes, it means there is a "tryer" in there somewhere.  Maybe there is a
> head neuron or something.  Like a five star general directing
> everything, that is the "I".  Doesn't make sense to me though.
>> >
>> >  I'm glad to hear that you are sure about your sense of your 'I': I was
>> >  under the understanding that you thought otherwise (however that would
>> >  work). ?Importantly, when you say 'the "I" is what it is all about.', I
>> >  hope you mean all I's.
> [Mark]
> No not otherwise.  However, having said that, it is still possible to
> have an "I" that really does not exist.  Of course this is a
> meaningless statement, but what I mean is that it does not arise
> inherently.  This is a Buddhist notion that we are the sum of many
> things and not a true existence in itself.  I think the purpose of
> this is too not take things so seriously, but to be free.  Such
> freedom is said to result in selfless compassion for all sentient
> beings.  At least that is what the converts say.  So maybe it is good.
>   It makes sense to me.  It is the ego which causes pain.  I would also
> have to say that this concept is difficult for me to stay within for
> very long.  Something always comes up that distracts me.
>