[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

118 ununoctiums at gmail.com
Sun Dec 5 10:42:43 PST 2010


Hi Ham,
Just a comment from my perspective below.
Mark

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> What human behavior is not an "act of a biological nature"?  Cannibalism is
> a biological act.  Robbing a bank is a biological act.  Even legislating
> laws against rape and murder is a biological act.  I fail to see how
> compartmentalizing human activity into "biological", "social" and
> "intellectual" levels makes the result more or less moral than the act
> itself.  Society is the adjudicator of morality, and society is a collection
> of like-minded human beings.  Animals collect into flocks, packs, gaggles,
> herds, hives, etc., not law-abiding "societies"; so animals do not have
> morality other than what is instinctual for the preservation of the species.
>
> Now, one can argue that the urge to copulate has a biological basis, as does
> the need to satisfy hunger by eating, whereas the desire to rob a bank is
> motivated by monetary greed and thus is more "intellectual in nature".  But
> this does not affect the morality of the act perpetrated as adjudged by
> society.  The concept of a universal moral standard to which evolution
> subscribes has no empirical or metaphysical basis.  If it did, neither
> nature nor mankind would exhibit "immorality", and we would not be having
> this discussion.
>
[Mark]
In my opinion, the concept of morality in humans is an expression (or
extension) of a more profound Morality.  We certainly express it as
humans do, but this does not mean it does not exist as a "force"
elsewhere.  This is why I subscribe to Quality from the ground up.
Trees have a morality of their own, which we could never understand
intellectually except to say that if it occurs in humans, it occurs in
everything.  We are not special in that sense.

This takes a bit away from the definition of morality as we have as
humans, but that is to be expected, and doesn't diminish it.  We call
it morality, a planet may call it orbiting.  Don't take this example
too literally of course.  Planets do "choose" a certain orbit however,
and we make other "choices".  Where these choices come from in humans
is somewhat of a metaphysical or paradoxical mystery.  Thus we
subscribe to higher orders.
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