[MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 61, Issue 62

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Hi John,

It would seem to me that you are pointing to the creative process of
the human mind.  We create something intellectual, then we try to
encapsulate it as some kind of truth.  We have to create a truth in
order to do this.  This, we emphasize, is actually something more than
a creation.  I fully understand the implications of pointing at
nothing there, but this is no different from a finger pointing towards
itself.

If I were to consider the act of creation as nothing, then I would
probably create a meaningless world.  It is no fun to live in a world
without meaning, so I would have no reason to create such a thing.  We
all need something that we believe to be fundamentally real or true
outside ourselves.  And of course there is such a thing, where do you
think all this creativity comes from?

We have found meaning in Science.  This is again a creative process.
The dilemma as I see it, is that we have created an impersonal world,
away from one that was once personal.  This causes a lot of
existential angst, which we then have to deal with by either ignoring
it through distraction, or being brave and stating that because of
this, we must make the most of the moment, as meaningless as it is.
We have then created meaning to avert the meaninglessness we have
created.  This transition from appreciating the inner reality, to
forgoing it for an outer reality can be considered a disease of sorts.
 The effort should be in finding a cure.  For many the cure is finding
a personal metaphysics.  Others say that such a thing is meaningless.
I know which side I would rather be on.

We create a circle of logic.  We then enclose that with a circle which
we claim is why the logic is there.  We then go on to create more
circles to encompass that.  It is the wonderful process of creation,
no different from the Big Bang.

Cheers,
Mark

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:40 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the appreciation, Jan Anders,
>
>
> I appreciate your open mind. I can see that just the word Quality has
>> different interpretation among us. What Quality stands for. I try to hold it
>> at the point where it first appeared in ZAMM. In RMP's terms of amployment
>> at the university of Bozeman as teacher in rethorics. The teaching "should
>> have quality"...and no further explanation about how this concept Quality
>> should be defined.
>>
>>>
>>>
> I had a teacher once who said, very disparagingly, that "an open mind is an
> indication of 'nothing there".  He was a religious teacher, naturally.  And
> kind of a jerk.  And eventually went crazy.
>
> take care,
>
> John
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