[MD] Reifying carrots, causality and the law of gravity

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Hi John,


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:28 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

>> dmb says:
>>
>> If all conceptualizations were reifications and if everybody does it, then
>> reification is just another word for conceptualization. If reified concepts
>> include any and all concepts, then the word "reify" has no meaning.
>>
> John:
>
> I agree completely.  From an MoQ perspective, the word reify has no
> meaning.  At least not as a dismissive criticism it doesn't.   Taking our
> conceptualizations as real things, is just what we do all the time, because
> it pragmatically works, but ultimately when we really dig into the meaning
> of the term, we're led to an infinite regress.  For taking any concept as
> representing an independent entity outside of our conceptualization is what
> SOM is really about.  But that doesn't mean that we just make stuff up in
> our heads, either.  Meaning occurs in "the entanglement between" subjective
> judgement and objective reality.  If reification was possible, then it'd be
> because it would be possible to access objective reality as an independent
> entity but somehow our conceptualization failed to do this properly.  All
> conceptualization fails to do this completely, thus reification is
> ultimately a nonsensical critique.
>
[Mark]
It would seem to me that the problem arises out of trying to ascribe
some ultimate truth to things.  This is where the circular regression
comes in.  Reification is reification, we can even consider it a
rhetorical tool.  Rhetoric is a form of music, reification is like
those bars (or measures) that are placed on the music sheet to form a
completion.  It is like a stanza in poetry.  If we look for truth, we
will never find it, we can only create it.  Language exists as a
self-referencing tool.  It creates understanding and meaning.  What
could be more important than that?

Denigration comes in when we think we are proposing a truth and it can
be shown that it is nothing more than a puddle.
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