[MD] Thus spoke Lila

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Hi Arlo,

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Mark]
> I don't think we need to see it as an endless paradox.  We can assume both
> structures are looking at each other.
>
> [Arlo]
> I assume here you mean a MOQ and "SOL" are structures looking at each other.
> Are there other structures? Or just these two.

[Mark]
Yes, there are many ways to construct reality.  Spooky isn't it?  But
in this case I would say that MOQ is looking at Western Philosophy as
discussed by Pirsig.  We can state that one has higher Quality than
the other if we want, and it creates meaning for us.
>
>
> Still waiting to here if this new structure is DQ or SQ or some other new
> non-SQ/non-DQ type of whatever.

[Mark]
For me it is not some other new one, I am happy with Quality.
>
> [Mark]
> This top down approach is not necessary in MOQ in my opinion, it can be SSL
> (subject subject), or OOL (object object).
>
> [Arlo]
> So where do you place a MOQ then? As an intellectual pattern (along with
> Pirsig) or as a superordinate fifth-level above intellect (along with the
> SOLists)? Or somewhere else entirely?

[Mark]
I am in harmony with the analogy of the intellectual level as being
something which can be separated.  I would place the analogy of MOQ
there.  There may be a fifth level if we want to create one.  Are you
interested in doing so?  I would participate.
>
> Personally, I continue to be amazed that recursion scares so many people,
> but I am convinced it does so because they are trapped in an SOL world. They
> are still looking for a logically flawless, complete system to describe
> everything, and "all this is just an analogy" continues to elude them. As
> Goedel and others have show, the more powerful the symbolic system is, the
> more useful it becomes, but also the more unavoidably recursive and
> paradoxical it becomes. You can't have it both ways. Me, I prefer the
> beautiful paradox and elegant recursions pointed to so well in Margritte's
> The False Mirror.

[Mark]
Yes, I agree with you.  We are all trying to find some kind of Truth,
when all we do is create it.  How can there be endless regression in a
creation?  It grows outward, not inward.  I am a fan of Goedel.
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