[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[MarshaV]

I found it.  And look, there is that word 'mediation.'   

"The intellectual level of patterns, in the historic process of freeing itself from its parent social level, namely the church, has tended to invent a myth of independence from the social level for its own benefit. Science and reason, this myth goes, come only from the objective world, never from the social world. The world of objects imposes itself upon the mind with no social mediation whatsoever. It is easy to see the historic reasons for this myth of independence. Science might never have survived without it. But a close examination shows it isn't so."  
   (LILA, Chapter 12)  




On Dec 7, 2010, at 3:15 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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> Hi Mark,
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> I cannot find the references (Bo would know), but there is text that 
> suggests a level becoming in conflict with its parent level.  
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> Masha
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> On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 PM, 118 wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> Yes, I like your story, thanks.  I like the notion of the higher
>> levels serving the lower levels.  This is more in tune with the way I
>> see it as opposed to controlling the levels below.  In order to climb
>> outside the structure, one must first create a structure outside.  If
>> one climbs outside the international space station, bad things happen.
>> So, one creates a structure to be able look at the space station from
>> the outside.  Of course the space station is looking at the satellite
>> structure just constructed.  We look at a flower, the flower looks at
>> us.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:05 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings Mark,
>>> 
>>> I like this questions.  I might try an answer.
>>> 
>>> You seem correct that it is addressing static individual reality, and that would be the ego's perspective.  I suppose thinking my body is independent is a biological point-of-view that leads to "my" reality.  The social level is to provide for biological needs so it will feed that type of thinking; it adds its own variations of realty based on social institutions such as the church of religion and the church of reason/science.   Hmmm.  The intellectual level?  The intellectual level's purpose is to assist the social level.  Today that might be to assist the church of reason/science.  It's reality is still what is conceptually constructed.  And it seems within the Intellectual Level the individual has again become important as an object of analysis and as a contaminant.  Basically, I think that reality is the active patterns of whatever level.  Ahhh, but there will always be those renegade individuals who will want to climb outside the level structure altogether and offer i
> nfo
>>> rmation from a broader perspective,  RMP for example.
>>> 
>>> Speaking of what is conceptually constructed, do you like my story?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
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