[MD] Thus spoke Lila

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Hi All,

I missed a lot of the discourse with Bo as I was on sabbatical from
this forum.  However I did review some of the posts during that time,
not nearly all of them of course.  I would have to agree with Horse
here.  If that makes me disagree with Bo, I don't know.

MOQ seems to be expressed in these posts as SOM, that is the typical
way of conversing, as I understand the concept. This occurs because
conversation is a subject talking to an object.  While in conversation
we use subjects and objects but MOQ rises from a deeper level which
does not contain SOM, as well.  Experience and all that, all of which
are parts of the intellectual level, fully integrated.  All these
things come together along with some symbol manipulation to provide a
personal world view to others.  To make the intellectual level SOM
would be to confine it to simple symbol manipulation and I don't think
that is appropriate.  SOM is just the final form prior to expressing
it to others.

Now, it could be said that it is language all the way down
(digital/analogue processing), but it certainly is not SOM language.
Sudden insight (which is intellectual) comes from a mix, of which
experience is one part.  While I am reading, I am not engaged in SOM,
I am experiencing through it.  There is no SOM in listening to Wagner,
yet it provides insight.  If Wagner is not intellectual, then he is a
dilettante and not a creator.

Just to be disagreeable, I will also say that the intellect is dynamic
quality in action, not one step removed as W. James may have said.

Don't know if this makes Bo wrong.  He might even agree with this for
all I know.

In memory of Bo,
Mark

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> But the MoQ isn't the Intellectual level. Nor is SOM.
> So the Intellectual level can contain both.
> Box A (the Intellectual Level) contains Box B (MoQ) and Box C (SOM) - and
> Box D and E and F..............
> None of these boxes contain Quality but both MoQ and SOM as Intellectual
> patterns of Value are contained within the larger box of the Intellectual
> level. They are separate patterns.
> So Bo's wrong.
>
> Horse
>
> (To be continued tomorrow - probably!)
>
> On 07/12/2010 15:48, Platt Holden wrote:
>>
>> Again Pirsig:
>>
>> "You can't have box 'A' (the MOQ) contain within itself box 'B'
>> (intellectual level) which in turn contains box 'A.' (the MOQ). That's
>> whacko.   (Parens added.)
>>
>> Bo's SOL is right.
>>
>> (Under the rules this is my final post on the subject permitted today.)
>>
>
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