[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[John Carl]

Andre.

John:

> Well Andre, I agree that there's a mess.  But I differ with you as to the
> cause of the mess.
>
> Andre:
> Obviously, and I think you are the creator.
>
>
John:  A Creator is somebody who takes a mess and makes a structure out of
it.  Your claim is that I'm taking a structure and making a mess out of it,
so I think a different term would apply from your perspective.

>From mine, however, I'm trying to fix a mess, not making one.

Perhaps you'd prefer to spend your time chiseling RMP's words in stone?
Hey, knock yourself out.  It's your life. Although from that perspective,
it's not your life anymore, it's RMP's and you're just trying to assimilate
it as yours.



> John:
>
> Arlo says it's ok to disagree, just as long as I argue
> correctly (in this case) against Pirsig, rather than AS Pirsig thinks.
>
> Andre:
> Yes, but Arlo made, if I understand correctly, a very big proviso and that
> is that your disagreement with Pirsig, and you float it around on this
> discuss, must also show that it is an improvement on Mr. Pirsig's MOQ. I
> think you are not improving it, rather the reverse.
>
>
John:

I realize your opinion.  You've done an excellent job of communicating your
opinion.  What you have repeatedly failed to do is offer me good reasons or
argument in support of your opinion.  I'd say a guy who acts like that (you)
is the one making a mess of philosophical discussion.  We can all reiterate
Pirsig till doomsday, and other than building up ego, where does it get us?
I thought this was "MD" (Moq discuss) not "MA" (Moq assert)




> John:
>
> "Emotions are biological responses" is tautologically meaningless.
>
> Andre:
> How is this tautology John?...and meaningless??
>
>
>
John:

My point all along, Andre, is that Emotions are biologically experienced,
but they are not biologically caused or created.    The view that biology
causes emotions makes as little sense to me as molecules causing cells.
Emotion is experienced biologically, yes.  Obviously.  The  cause for
emotions however, comes from the patterns of  or the social matrix - caring
about self.   So to say that "emotions are biological responses" is akin to
saying "my heart started beating faster because my heart started beating
faster."  My emotions ARE biological reactions.  That's the tautology.

The meaninglessness you'll have to derive yourself.  I'll be busy elsewhere
for a while.

John