[MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

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Hi Ian,

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
> All, dare I summarize ?
>
> (1) It (Life, the universe and everything) is more than language.

[Mark]
Yes, more than human language

> (2) Philosophical discourse may be only language, but a good
> philosophy is more than discourse.

[Mark]
Yes, it arises from more than language

> (3) The philosophical "map", is a better one if the participant is
> involved in able to change the map based on "real" experience.

[Mark]
Yes, continuity with experience and common sense is necessary
>
> (4) For some reason we're all a bit wary of characterizing that "real"
> experience as pure / immediate, etc as suggested by "radical"
> empiricism, because of misconstrued Platonist / anti-Platonist
> interpretations.

[Mark]
This is a tricky one.  People like W. James state that reality happens
before we intellectualize it.  This seems a bit unreal to me.  It
comes from the psychological viewpoint of the brain as a processing
device.  I would say that such an interpretation is misconstrued.  The
processing and expression itself is part of dynamic quality, not
something that happens afterwards.  Psychology has led us spiritually
astray.  This is why sometimes I say that W. James is somewhat
misguided.  To separate man's thoughts from reality or Quality does
not fit.  It would make them unreal which does not conform to common
sense or rational inquiry.
>
[Ian]
> Now THAT is language all the way down.
> As you were.

Now that is an area for further discourse.

At ease gentlemen,
Mark

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