[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[Platt Holden]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:

> [Platt]
>
> A mistake perennially repeated by intellectuals who inhabit the SOL. One
> can only know the value truth of the statement "All descriptions of reality
> are contained within the reality they describe" by stepping outside of SOL
> concepts into the realm of preconceptual knowing, i.e., DQ.
>
> [Arlo]
> See, right there reveals your trappedness in SOL. You can't "step outside",
> that's the SOM mistake. All you can do is deal with the paradox and
> recursion from within, best stated by "All this is an analogy, including
> this statement", understood by Zen masters and great philosophers like
> Pirsig.
>
> Every time you try to "step outside" you simply create another "realm" from
> which you then have to "step outside" to see. How could you know the value
> of what you call "preconcpetual knowing" except from yet another "step
> outside"?
>
> You continue to say "the eye cannot see itself", but your solution is to
> provide another eye that sees that eye. The problem is, what sees *that*
> eye? You need another eye to see that one. Then that one. Then the next one.
> And so on.
>
> The solution to "the eye cannot see itself" is revealed in Magritte's The
> False Mirror, what Hofstadter calls a "strange loop", a inherent paradox
> that we have no choice but to point to with analogies and move on.



[Platt]
Hofstadter and you, trapped beyond help in SOL concepts and thus incapable
of Dynamic understanding.


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