[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[MarshaV]

On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:02 AM, rapsncows at fastmail.fm wrote:

> Marsh,
> greetings,
> 
>> Marsha:
>> The process seems quite passive, but I usually feel better after having 
>> meditated.
> 
> [Tim]
> Fine.
> 
> (not as in 'okay, I guess; let's see', but as in 'this is as fine a way
> of putting is it as ... --- that is, what room do you leave for the
> 'novice' if you too are a 'novice'? ;)   )

Marsha:
I don't find meditation that easy, but then I meditate to see how the 
mind works.  Too often the thoughts take me away from awareness, 
but it is training, and I am getting better.  It takes me but a second 
these days to recognize my attachment was to ego.  No sense in 
making a big deal out of it.  It's more important that I get back to being 
aware of the process.  



>> Marsha:
>> You wrote a long post, and I read through it all, but it seemed to take
>> flight 
>> on its own.  These are individual journeys to understanding, and I judged
>> it 
>> best just to let it fly.  I certainly meant no harm or disrespect.
> 
> [Tim]
> in reverse:
> 
> first: at the time, I thought you were blowing me off - and since you
> had asked the question - and I had just gotten into it - I was miffed. 
> Now, well it has been many days or a week since I looked back at my long
> response, but I remember it having many different trains within it, and
> it didn't hang together very well - anyway, it took a reprieve in order
> for me to look at your decision more fairly.  If I was leaning towards
> you then, I am in your camp now; I need no more convincing on: '...and I
> judged it best just to let it fly.  I certainly meant no harm or
> disrespect'.  Rather, it is I who disrespected you, so again, I'm sorry.

Marsha:
I took no disrespect.   My social skills are not always great.  That seems 
a good indication that I am very much a novice.  And I take it that if this 
has come to a good conclusion it has been because of your effort.  



> Next: "These are individual journeys to understanding," ... hmmm ... I
> am at a loss for how to proceed exactly ... I must though ...  to start
> playing with this, what happens if I move the 's': these are [this is]
> individuals' journey to understanding?  ehhhh, I don't like this too
> much, just a playful toying attempt.  But about your original, It just
> seems to be missing the kick, that while every individual has her own
> journey, we are all journeying together, intertwined as it were.  I
> don't know how to fix the language so as to pay respect to that kick.
> ... hm! maybe: "This is individuals' journeys to understanding, ..."  I
> kinda like this.  I think I'll sleep on it.  What do you think though?

Marsha:
Yes, we hopefully help and benefit from sharing ideas, yet some 
knowledge must be understood from direct experience outside the 
boundary of words.  I suppose if such an experience changes us, 
then it is still experience to share even wordlessly.  So yes, we are 
about individuals journeying.   



> last: "You wrote a long post, and I read through it all, ..." - I didn't
> doubt that.  In fact, I think this is what stung.  Had you ignored it
> completely, I could have thought, 'whatever'.  But it was in considering
> this, that had you ignored it, I would not have felt disrespected; but
> that it was because you did me the courtesy of not ignoring, and the
> courtesy of letting me know that I should not be waiting for a response,
> that I felt disrespected: that seemed very unfair, and backwards of what
> I would want to encourage.  Anyway, it took a short bit, but I think it
> worked out 'fine'.  If you have fully forgiven my overreaction and my
> disrespecting you, then I think I can have solid confidence in that
> assessment.

Marsha:
There is nothing to forgive, and only gratitude for your effort.    


> ...
> 
> I just went back and looked over the 'Next' section.  (A minor edit or
> two to true up the sense and timing):
> 
> This is individuals' journeys to understanding AND ...
> 
> I'm already taking a real shine to this!  Thanks!!!
> 
> Tim
> -- 

Thank you.   


Marsha   
 
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