[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[rapsncows at fastmail.fm]

John, (Marsha too)

I had just turned my computer back on because I had a thought that I
though might help me explain myself better to Marsh, and I wanted to see
if I could manage a way to get it out.  I'm not sure if I would have
been able too, but...


> John:
> 
> As could "intellect".  So much confusion, even,  it turned Bo's sol  dark
> and confused.

[Tim]
Bo and his SOL have come up so much, and I haven't had the motivation to
go back and see what it is all about.  If you could even tell me what
'SOL' stands for, so that I could be sure, I'd appreciate it.


> [John]  But the fact remains, that people do tend to have two
> perspectives on things, a classical, analytical perspective and a
> romantic
> aesthetic perspective.  That these perspectives are hardwired into our
> physical being, ought to tell us something about their very
> fundamental-ness
> and give them the proper place.  For as I am seeing it now, it's this
> very
> differentiation of mentation, which gives rise to the understanding of
> "intellectual", which otherwise would have no meaning whatsoever, and
> this
> epistemological value of differentiation should not be discarded lightly.

[Tim]
I think that there is a lot here I can connect with, but there is a lot
there.  I think that it might have to stew in me for a while.  Certainly
I do not intend to discard it lightly!

> 
>[Jon] What seems to be happening, is that this isolated pattern of
> intellect-that-values-intellect, is a kind of death force at work in
> society
> and the individual, which does not want to be impinged upon by
> touchy-feely
> emotional crap, and in its austere coldness, wishes to squash all of
> reality
> under it's iron heel.  And ought to be resisted.  I've called it
> "homotheism" in the past as it puts as it's highest value, sameness and
> controllability.  You see it in any large authoritarian pattern of
> government.
> 

[Tim]
I'm not sure where the sameness comes in... But controllability... I
wonder how your ideas, which I can just touch right now, will compare
with the thoughts I have regarding the fear of, or the inability to deal
with, or the unwillingness to accept, etc. living amidst the unknown.

> 
> > [Tim previously] Intelligence is a balance of the heart, (anything else?), and the mind
> > (coin flip to determine the order ... the cold and the hot; though I
> > don't know that that makes it a lukewarm!).
> 
>
> 
>[John] I think we should strive for balance in the realization of extremes,
> rather
> than the lukewarm middle.  It's like, when you know what your extremes
> are,
> then you can go the limit in any circumstance, depending on what's called
> for.  But when you just stick with one horn, you're gored.
> 
> As far as precedence between the two, I give it (along with Dewey and
> Pirsig) to Art.  For in the end,  rationality is an art and thus (as
> you've
> heard before!) It's art, all the way down baby.  :-)

[Tim]
I think it is here that you have given me the link I needed to express
myself to Marsh.  This arty, feely, aestheticy thing is what I was
getting at with 'heart' - when I said that I was in your camp.  However,
I think the intuition that had me insert 'anything else?' is what I need
to make it come together - without it even the finest art would be
torture (I had made the contention, to Ham, that pure sensibility would
be torture).  There is an intellectual aspect surrounding DQ!  One has
to be able to choose to quit the particular art that, if forced upon him
long enough, would be torture.  This will of the I is vital.  And, since
when we come out the other side of the doorway of DQ, we must decide
before we know what we are deciding: pre-intellectual awareness, we have
to have some aspect of pre-awareness choice.  There is so much we might
be aware of at any moment, but the choice to be aware of that specific
locale of reality came prior to it.  (Either this is effifying DQ) or
else there is a third intellectual component (at least) which is the
intelligence needed to choose amidst this unknown.  It seems that there
is a counterpart (for balance) on the front end too: a willful act
requires a choice at the front (what is important, best), and with this
in possession, some sort of _____________ (what?) which predisposes the
'I' to a preparedness for the future that is to come.  A faith aspect to
intelligence if you will.

I think we see eye to eye on the lukewarm versus balance business.  :-)

> 
> 
> 

> 
> 
> > Anyway, this is what the analogy looks like in a picture:
> >
> >
> >           >+--+<
> >
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> >
> >
> 
> Here's mine, derived from yours.
> 
> iiiiiiiiiiiiii
> >-0-0-<
>    i__i
> 
> 
> Graphical idealism at play!
> 
> John

[Tim]
probably no better way to 'deal with it' than by play!

Tim
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