[MD] All the way down

[MarshaV]

On Dec 18, 2010, at 6:09 AM, rapsncows at fastmail.fm wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> this was your post from which I was prompted towards this question:
> 
> "I think Wallace explains in the 2nd part that you will not be asked to
> stop
> your thoughts, but to become mindful of them, or be able to take a rest
> from them now and then.  Mindfulness is to be aware of what are thinking
> as a participator, not lost to thought where your thoughts are riding
> you.  
> It's quite wonderful.  But not to worry, it is not so easy to make it a
> new habit.  
> At least it hasn't been for me.  Even so, a few minutes here and there
> throughout the day is a treasure."
> 
> I asked:
> how then do you propose to 'take a rest'?
> 
> you replied:
> "There is awareness with no thought.  That's restful.  Or to be aware of
> thoughts without attachment to the thoughts is restful."
> 
> [Tim]
> Now, this distinction may or may not be lost on me, but still, how do
> you 'take'? Or, how do you 'become' (as in mindful of them)?  Or, how do
> you 'make' (as in a new habit)?


Take?  If you want words I can recommend a good book?  

You want better than my words watch a set explanations and instructions 
from a master meditation teacher.  I have never claimed such a distinction.  
i do practice mindfulness throughout the day and I meditate.  If you would 
like to know what that experience is like learn it for yourself.   Or don't.   But 
I have no words to describe a process that is not outside linguistic process. 
It needs to be directly experienced to understand it.  

Marsha 



> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 05:25:58 -0500, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> said:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> There is awareness with no thought.  That's restful.  Or to be 
>> aware of thoughts without attachment to the thoughts is restful.  
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2010, at 4:47 AM, rapsncows at fastmail.fm wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> 
>>> how then do you propose to 'take a rest'?
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 02:30:16 -0500, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> said:
>>>> 
>>>> Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> The self that I am aware of exists as a stream of bit and pieces of 
>>>> ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, biological, 
>>>> social and intellectual static patterns of value.  I have not discovered 
>>>> an independent, inherently existing entity (I) acting as controller. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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