[MD] Bo’s Western Buddhism (was Intellect's Symposium)

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Hi Khoo

3 Feb.

Bo before:
> > How I envisage the MOQ as a "western buddhism" I have told many times No
> > particular enlightenment is required except understanding the MOQ, but
> > that seems to be the needle eye for the camels.

Khoo:
> But how would it work if there is no enlightenment necessary?  Is there
> a methodology to achieve the understanding of the Metaphysics of
> Quality ? How would you guide the enquirer/camels through the needle
> into a proper understanding of the Metaphysics of Quality? Is there an
> "aha" moment ? Is there a need for a Guide? Or is it a Do-it-Yourself
> kind of process ? 

Good (perhaps sarcastic?) questions. Yes i have wondered why 
Pirsig's ideas in ZAMM hit me so hard, why I in an flash saw the point, 
but have found that only one so tormented by (what I knew as) the 
mind/matter abyss as I were  would recognize the immense relief in 
the prospect  of my tormentor wasn't reality itself but a  "metaphysics" 
having arrived at some point in time, and will go away the moment the 
MOQ takes hold. Well, it has taken hold of me so I am free, those poor 
buggers who don't know they are SOM captives can't be helped.   

At first in this discussion I thought this was why all people came to this 
site, but have been forced to realize that most are chatterbugs not 
having the least interest, wish or need for escaping SOM except 
seeing their posts "published", some professional "twitters" partaking 
on several lists simultaneously. But never mind the greatest 
disappointment was Pirsig himself launching  a travesty of the ZAMM 
epiphany of  SOM being Quality's creation ... CALLED INTELLECT. 
This is the hub, kernel,crux of it all. About 3 levels before the 4t. - 
intellectual - is perfect, but that one must be SOM or the MOQ is just 
more SOM!      

And I thought that you - of Oriental origin at least - knew that to 
achieve enlightenment the "intellect" must be transcended. The silliest 
of discussers make a great point of me insisting on the MOQ being 
something beyond the intellectual level, but it the perspective where 
the "Q-context  is seen. Like the Buddha being the stance from where 
Buddhism context is seen. To say that the MOQ is an intellectual 
pattern prevents its release from SOM. OK, all this is what I said in 
"my string of reasoning", your objecting to it and me trying to bring it 
across again - will only result in more turns of the screw and I am a bit 
worn.     

Bodvar