[MD] to claim people had no "intellect"

[Magnus Berg]

Hi David

David
> You made the same mistake as Ian. I have been laying out for over a month
> now, the negative consequences of Bo's interpretation and trying to find
> some reasonable resolution, with no success. You take those examples for my
> position. But to be honest as I've been exploring those issues I have become
> more and more uneasy with some of the MoQ's relationships and their
> implications.

I sympathize with your efforts. I'm afraid I haven't followed it for a whole 
month but I back-tracked a few days.

I don't know if you've heard about my interpretation of the MoQ, but I think it 
can be used to resolve, for example, this never ending argument about what 
social and intellectual patterns are, what governs the other, etc.

When discussing social patterns vs. intellectual the way they're normally 
discussed here, then what you visualize are larger populations of humans like 
cities and countries as social patterns, and then different human means to 
control those structures as intellectual patterns.

But the way I see it, none of those patterns are *primary* social and 
intellectual patterns. They are just secondary manifestations, something like a 
country being a social pattern made up of cities. Bo usually ridicule me about 
this, asking me when this dividing into smaller and smaller structures ends, but 
he just doesn't understand what I'm talking about.

In my view, which is extremely pragmatic but nevertheless just an extrapolation 
of the MoQ outlined in Lila, the primary manifestation of intellectual patterns 
happened much earlier than that. The first intellectual patterns surfaced when 
the nerves in multi celled animals grew together into a knot, enabling some 
nerve signals to be dynamically processed and re-routed instead of just being 
statically sent from one end of the animal to another.

Now, what does this have to do with the current discussion about intellect, 
intelligence and social patterns? Quite a lot. If you acknowledge that 
intellectual patterns are present in many multicellular animals, then the 
argument about humans having intellect and at the same time governed by social 
structures goes away. You can put Platt's never ending claims that personal - 
intellectual - freedom, takes moral precedence over social rules into 
perspective. We can see that the intellectual patterns in each human, are 
morally superior to the social patterns that make up the human's body. But in 
the context of the society, the human is simply a biological building block. So 
if the person wants to be protected by the society's building blocks like police 
and legal system, then that person also has some obligations to the society. In 
other words, the MoQ supports common sense.

Also, this superficial distinction between intellect and intelligence becomes a 
mere game with words. And the SOL, well, to quote another of my favorite books, 
"vanishes in a puff of logic".

This was just a short primer. There are a lot more in my two essays in the forum 
on the MoQ site. Or you can just ask here. But believe me, it *is* possible to 
straighten out many of the questions raised here on MD. I just don't have the 
time or the willingness to eat insults for breakfast every day. But if you're 
interested in knowing more, I'd be happy to have a sincere discussion.

	Magnus