[MD] Buddhism and Nothingness

[markhsmit]

Hi Marsha,
While I may not have Khoo's understanding, I will jump in.
Symbol manipulations are indeed a good interpretation 
of intellect.  I like what Casserer (1900s) has to say about this
which in a way predates Pirsig on the subject.

Indeed if one takes out the subjectiveness of intellect,
which is simply a concept (that is subjective in itself,
one allocates it to SOM.  If one assumes the comprehesive
subjectiveness of intellect, one then may be on the path
to it's understanding from a spiritual level.  It does not
exist outside of us, but requires the factories of brains.

Cheers,
Mark

On Feb 6, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Khoo Hock Aun wrote:

> 
> The argumentation of the MOQ is that the process of intellectual abstraction
> and conceptualisation is the highest level in human evolution. That the
> humans can conceive of 'mental objects" and manipulate them is on this plane
> an apex achievement and direct the course of human civilisation. This is
> what is meant by the intellectual level and not the "subject-object split".
> The moral force, or karma drives the "patterning" process either upwards or
> downwards, in terms of organisational complexity, and therefore
> "intellectual objects" as they form, have implications for society and the
> Earth as a whole.
> 


Khoo,

I'd like to ask you about what you say above, because it represents the 
reason for agreeing with Bo that the fourth level is the SOM level. It's at this
level that abstract mental objects are reified and manipulated in a formal way,
with the subject's feelings/opinions supposedly extracted.


Marsha


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