[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[MarshaV]

Mark,

What I was trying to point out was that my definition of an atheist leaves behind the question of does god exist or not exist.  God becomes simply a static pattern of value, a static pattern of value that for me is not meaningful.  That ends the existence problem.


Marsha



On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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> Mark,
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> I'm saying the pattern/concept of 'god' is not meaningful.  
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> Marsha  
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> On Feb 7, 2010, at 3:42 AM, markhsmit wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha,
>> You may find Ernst Cassirer's writings illuminating.
>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cassirer/
>> especially the part on the philosophy of symbolic
>> forms.  There are similarities with MoQ.  The reason
>> I bring this guys name up is that he considered the
>> intellect to be built on the foundations of the 
>> mythical consciousness.  This type of consciousness
>> would be at the root of our intellect.  So to deny myth,
>> is to deny that intellect exists (as least according 
>> to Cassirer).  I equate this to Windows when it was
>> based on DOS.  Many people were in denial that
>> it was built on the primitive DOS.  I think that Cassirer
>> makes a good argument, better than the argument
>> that man-made myths are not meaningful.  What 
>> makes something meaningful?
>> 
>> Now, if one takes the relativistic view, all constructs
>> are man-made.  So I take it you are saying that as an
>> athiest, things are not relative but that there is an
>> absolute truth out there.  This sounds kind of
>> religious.
>> 
>> What if God was not human-like, but a synthesis of
>> all intelligences besides those that are made up
>> of  a few interconnected neurons in our heads. Our
>> brain is quite simple and dwarfed by the complexity
>> of planet earth, which could be considered much more
>> intelligent than us.  Or is intelligence only the human
>> kind?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:00 PM, markhsmit wrote:
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>>> Hi John,
>>> Interesting that you would use a theistic concept to dismiss theism.
>>> If atheist is the belief that there is no deity, it cannot exist
>>> without theism, thus approving of it. It is maybe like two sides
>>> of the same coin. What about the coin itself?
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>> 
>> mark, john,
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>> Here is the definition I like: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods
>> (or other supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends 
>> or who believe that these concepts are not meaningful.
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>> It has nothing to do with exist or not exist, but finding 'god' a pattern that is 
>> not meaningful.
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>> 
>> Marsha
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