[MD] Demanding Evidence From Theists

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> Ron said:
> Aristotle makes almost the exact same arguement leading up to the theory behind
> the axiom of non-contradiction and it is precisely how you explained above that
> truth and falsity have any meaning, which is an arguement distinct from the one
> Rorty as you characterize his position above,truth as a means to serve personal
> interests, Socrates in Platos Protagoras makes a similar arguement with Sophism,
>  it is a love
> for wisdom that allows pragmatic truth to have it's highest quality meaning.
> 
> There is a wisdom that comes along with pragmatic truth, for a metaphor
> you may appreciate, the distinction is quite like the distinction between
> biological and social quality. Pragmatic truth is thought by Rorty to be
> biologically dominated and requires a wisdom of social level patterns
> a love of wisdom a social desire for goodness, excellence, as a first
> principle to come to the kind of social value good you seem to be requiring.


DmB:
 As I understand it, Rorty abandons the notion of truth in favor of intersubjective agreement while pragmatic truth in the MOQ is neither social nor biological but intellectual. (Truth is an intellectual species of the Good.) 

Ron:
I guess I simply do not understand the distinction between intersubjective agreement and intellectual truth.

As I understand the arguement and this may not accuratelly represent your viewpoint, Rorty is making
an assertion about biological good, the good and the true is what satifies, you make the point in regard to
the Nazis and relativism and you make a social level appeal to the good of fellow humans, they are both intellectual arguements concerning different levels of values, You seem to be banging on the lack of
social level intellectual values in Rorty's assertions. I was trying to apply the four intellectual levels
of pragmatic truth to illumenate the disagreement you have with Rorty and relativism, guess it did'nt work.









                        
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