[MD] Mao & The MoQ

[Joseph Maurer]

On 2/21/10 7:49 AM, "Mary" <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:

>I am sorry to try your patience on a whim!
[Mary Replies] 
Joe, you do not "try my patience" at all!
 
> I prefer to consider a template for evolution that includes an
> emotional center.
 
[Mary Replies] 
I think I see the confusion, then.  I view emotions as an artifact of the
Biological Level.
<snip>

Hi Mary and all,

Do animals have ³emotions²?  I answer No! Emotions do not evolve in a level
of instinctive evolution.  I prefer to see ³emotions² evolving beyond
instinct in the first level in the evolution of DQ consciousness, which,
then, evolves further to a DQ/SQ intellectual level for control of behavior.

At 1:13 PM ³Mary² wrote to John:

> [Mary Replies] 
> As the resident expert on emotions (the token female) I take umbrage at your
> statement, John.  Let's face it, men have only a tangential connection to
> their emotions.  It is not allowed in Western culture.  You have only two
> socially acceptable outlets for masculine emotion, verbal violence or
> physical violence.  That's it.  I hate that, but I did not make the rules.
> 
> It is absolutely untrue that "all emotions have some reasoned assumption a
> their basis."  Nope.  Most have no relationship to reason at all.  In my
> experience there are only two things that elicit emotion in us: fear of loss
> (including loss of face, loss of loved ones, loss of 100 other kinds of
> things - all related in some way to EGO) or a threat to something we believe
> ourselves to believe (about ourselves, the world at large, or others in
> particular).  Perhaps you will notice that I include only negative emotions
> in this?  That is because negative emotions are far more powerful and
> long-lasting than the strongest positive ones.
> 
> All emotions are based in the Biological Level, including love. They cannot
> be invoked and cannot be assuaged by reason.  Reason is powerless in the
> face of strong emotion.  At best all we can do is use reason to temper the
> same emotion the next time - but never THIS time.  Emotion must be respected
> and anyone who doesn't respect their own emotions is asking for trouble.
> You can "pay me now or pay me later" is a good analogy for emotion.  If not
> resolved, they never go away, they just get worse - stronger the next time
> the subject comes up.
> 
> I challenge you guys to convince me this is not true. Who among you has not
> experienced a long running disagreement with your significant other?
> 
> Grins,
> Mary
 
I guess I have to propose evolution beyond the intellectual level to a
higher emotional level, and a higher intellectual level in consciousness
only to explain all behavior.
 
Joe

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