[MD] Capitalism: my experience

[Dan Glover]

hi gav

i use that metaphorically of course. there is no "my" self. maybe
better to say it is essential to work. period. just work. and by that
i don't mean shoveling coal for a penny a pound. i mean mindfulness.
just work. then, it doesn't really matter if you are working for the
'man' or for the person you see in the mirror every day.

i like a roof over my head... keeps the rain off my stuff plus i have
these routines. you know, like sleeping, eating, crapping, other such
human nonsense, and i'd rather do it inside than in the weeds.

so i bought a house. cash money. worked for it. every dollar. now i
have to pay the county every year to keep them from taking it away
from me. they call it property taxes. if i don't pay, the county sells
the taxes to someone who will. and gives the house to them.

now i ask you: ain't that some shit?

anyway, good chatting at you.

dan

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:12 PM, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> thanks dan,
> i agree man - work, for yourself, is essential. work, for someone else, and its second best by a long way.
>
> reminds me of a guy i met travelling through czech republic about 5 years ago - vaslav. looked like a aryan god or something - just glowed. saw him walking down the street and was like 'jeez that dude is cool' - my girlfriend agreed wholeheartedly.
>
> anyway later we get to meet the guy cos he knows the girls that run our hostel and she suggests vaslav as a weed contact.
>
> so we go find vaslav - he is doing carpentry work for a small bar/cafe down the road. apparently he is a whizz wizz zee wood.
>
> we get chatting and he says he has a little bit of leaf and gives us some and won't accept cash - none at all. we talk more and he reveals he doesn't accept cash for anything he does. he works when he needs to and accepts things in exchange. he doesn't drink or smoke tobacco, lives in the forest most of the time and has a fondness for those special mushrooms. the dude was very unusual and vivid.
>
>  my girlfriend and i went back to the hostel, found out what he liked to eat from the girls there, and returned with a mega sandwich for him for lunch. he was stoked and then gave us another present: a weird looking rock that i managed to lose in barcelona when my bag got nicked. this rock was unlike anything i had ever seen - orange and black, reminded me of some david gemmel books....
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 22/2/10, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Received: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 11:27 AM
>> gav, you're always gonna get that
>> stupid shit from people... you need
>> to work for money cuz its more efficient. the money has
>> nothing to do
>> with it! a person needs to work to survive, nothing more.
>>
>> good for you. i think it's awesome you can do what you're
>> doing.
>> myself, i've been self employed over three decades now. for
>> a few
>> years i tried building my businesses by hiring others but i
>> find it
>> simpler just to work for myself now. i'm happier.
>>
>> to me, that's the key... work for oneself... not for the
>> money or
>> other exchange that comes from the work. just work. it's so
>> simple
>> it's hard to see why others have such a hard time with it.
>>
>> peace,
>>
>> dan
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:03 PM, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> > the point is....
>> > i have spent the last 5 years working and volunteering
>> in the field of community development. and progress is very
>> slow, because of the exigencies of capitalism: kids to feed
>> and house etc. catch-22
>> >
>> > i opted out. i haven't had a home for nearly a year
>> now. i been riding the coattails of providence, travelling,
>> camping; it's a challenge sometimes - to have a sanctuary
>> would be great. but when it comes down to it - i have no
>> dependents and i am able to act solely as my conscience
>> dictates. therefore i *choose* to participate as little as
>> possible in the capitalist nightmare that the white world
>> inflicts on the planet.
>> >
>> > seems not many folk see the whole 'need money to live'
>> thing as immoral, evil....strange because to me IT'S FUCKING
>> OBVIOUS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 22/2/10, craigerb at comcast.net
>> <craigerb at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: craigerb at comcast.net
>> <craigerb at comcast.net>
>> >> Subject: [MD]  Capitalism: my experience
>> >> To: "moq discuss" <moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org>
>> >> Received: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 8:32 AM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [ gav]
>> >>
>> >> >   working for free, or as exchange
>> is ...noble. it
>> >> builds trust, friendships, community....
>> >>
>> >> But working for money has its efficiencies.
>> Suppose
>> >> everytime you needed food, clothing,
>> >>
>> >> or medical help, you had to find a farmer, tailor
>> or doctor
>> >> who needed gardening.
>> >> It is more efficient (and gives you more freedom)
>> to be
>> >> paid in money,
>> >> then you can deal with whatever farmer, tailor or
>> doctor
>> >> that you want to.
>> >>
>> >> Craig
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