[MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.

[Mary]

What Bo says is true.  The Intellect as Subjects and Objects is what Pirsig
discussed in ZMM.  Pirsig may not agree with it now, but if it weren't for
his objection to S/O logic in the first place he would not have written.
Have we strayed this far?  

Best,
Mary

> 
> Hi Bo
> 
> This paragraph extracted from your recent post is what I (and many
> others) are objecting to and is precisely what I have asked you to
> drop.
> If you continue to ignore my request there will likely be unfortunate
> consequences. This _really_ is not what I want.
> Ian has already pointed out your inability to see the honesty issue
> when
> you say "point taken..." and then continue with the same old, same old.
> 
> On 01/07/2010 07:18, skutvik at online.no wrote:
> > OK, point taken, but listen: Pirsig is the origin of the Intellect =
> S/O idea (SOL) get that into your head,
> 
> No Bo, get this into _YOUR_ head. YOU are the originator of the
> "Intellect = S/O idea (SOL)". NOT Pirsig, but YOU.
> Pirsig has stated quite clearly that he does not agree with your
> interpretation and to continue to insist that he is the originator of
> an
> idea that he has explicitly rejected is dishonest, misleading and plain
> wrong. Please drop this now before it escalates to an outcome that will
> please no-one.
> On this list you are entitled to express your ideas about the MoQ, but
> you are not entitled to distort the position of the originator of the
> MoQ - Robert Pirsig
> 
> > I'm dead tired of this being presented as some pet idea of mine,
> 
> It is your idea Bo and deluding yourself into believing that Pirsig has
> any connection to it is self-deception and consequently a means to
> deceive others. Please stop now.
> 
> > it's written clearly in ZAMM for you (all) to see.
> 
> This is your interpretation which Pirsig has rejected. How many times
> do
> you have to be told this by members of MD and Pirsig himself?
> 
> > That was the revelation for me in its time: finally a
> > thinker who had SOM by the throat, but then LILA where intellect
> > looked uncannily like GOF mind, meaning that SOM was back in town.
> >
> 
> This is your opinion and interpretation Bo, not that of Pirsig. The MoQ
> sees SOM and the MoQ itself as Intellectual patterns and not SOM as the
> whole of the Intellectual level. If you want to argue your position to
> the contrary then that's fine. Just don't try and make out that Pirsig
> supports your position, that he is really the originator of your
> position or that he supports the idea that SOM (or (S/O) = Intellectual
> level. This position is dishonest.
> 
> > It has haunted the MOQ for ten plus years and Pirsig HAS migrated
> > back towards Phaedrus original insight.
> 
> This is untrue Bo, you (and one or two others) have unsuccessfully
> pushed for this position for at least the last ten years and attempted
> to convince others that there is a problem where there is not a
> problem.
> You cannot continue to claim support from Pirsig for a position which
> he
> has stated clearly that he doesn't support. This now has to stop.
> Pirsig
> has moved on, in many ways from the position that he held in ZMM - it's
> time you did so too. Or at least it's time that you stopped claiming
> support where it doesn't exist. Pirsig has expanded and enhanced his
> position since ZMM was published. He hasn't back-pedalled, recanted,
> lost his way or secretly (or overtly) supported your SOL
> interpretation.
> This is all in your head.
> Make the SOL stand on it's own merit if you can but please stop
> dishonestly invoking support where it doesn't exist. Many members of
> MD,
> myself included, have tried very hard over the last several months to
> get you to see that this is wrong but you have refused to accept this.
> Please don't continue along this path Bo, I like you a lot and you have
> been at the core of MD for a long time so please, please please
> consider
> what I have said very carefully.
> 
> 
> Horse
> 
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