[MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.

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From: "skutvik at online.no" <skutvik at online.no>
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Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 2:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.

Ron

1 July you wrote 

> Pirsig explains how MoQ has greater explanitory power, I have yet to
> hear how SOL provides greater explanitory power. Please, just one of
> you answer this. Just one of you take a stab at some honost dialog.

Bodvar:
In a show of magnanimity I'll respond to your cries for attention. Yes, 
Pirsig shows how the MOQ has great explanatory power, but it's all 
based on the intellect=SOM interpretation. As Platt points out, the 
chapter about intellectual value joining force with biology to quell social 
value is SOL-based and so is Pirsig's remark on the Moslem world 
fighting intellect (because it disturbs society's own quelling of biological 
value). Every single instance where MOQ wields its explanatory power 
is based on the SOL, any other of the many strange definitions - f.ex. 
"expansion of rationality" - is useless. For further examples of its 
power I can point to its clearing up of the age old problem of EVIL by 
its level system, each level in turn creating a new evil

Ron:
You maintain SOL explains evil, every major religion explains evil.
Nothing new there. 

So the MoQ is a new evil by this explanation. Making SOL support
evil in all it's forms because they are the highest static patterns.
Explaining why SOL is evil itself. Interesting. 
You posit the explanation of and support of evil is better than
the expansion of rationality and the empirical justification of the Good.


Bodvar:
 and finally - by 
revealing this context - the MOQ at least explains it. A problem that 
has bothered humankind for ages, resolved in one stroke of genius, no 
small feat! Another related enigma is  how murder brings medals in 
war, but is a crime in times of peace. This enigma is intellect-as-SOM 
created, claiming human rights worth, freedom yet, having to watch 
that all these abandoned if/when the bells toll. It's been a monster 
platypus for as long as intellect has been in the driver's seat. The 
MOQ explains this as when the intellectual latch don't hold we slip 
down to the much stronger social latch where "our cause" takes over 
and where no qualms exist by killing the enemy. But this also requires 
the SOM-intellect, the Mind-intellect has zero explanatory power

Ron:
So you are saying soldiers do not fight for intellectual reasons
they fight for social reasons. This explanation totally undermines
the explanation Pirsig gives about the wars fought in the 20th century
the explanation of the struggle between social dominance and intellectual
 dominance.
In fact it undermines your entire SOL.  creating more platypus as it
try's to solve them.

Bodvars obligitory enflamitory conclusion:
Think before you launch a new "Ron-having-read-Aristotle" posts. You 
can protest the SOL but that also means protesting the MOQ.

Ron:
In conclusion, you state that SOL is evil.
That the explanation and support of this evil is justified by the levels.
Making the explanitory power of the MoQ the justification of evil.

You are satan aren't you.































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