[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[John Carl]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
>


Thanks Mary, all's well on the home front.



>
> > > [Mary Replies]
> > > I didn't realize they had Republicans in Chaung-tzu's time.
> > >
> > >
> > [John]
> > Me:  He sounds more like a welfare deadbeat, to me.
> >
> [Mary]
> Possibly both/either.  I was at first trying to be funny.  Does the welfare
> deadbeat have character?  Does the Republican?  Does character have them?
> What is character anyway?  Social Level?
>
>

John:

Interesting question, Mary.  What is meant by character?  Even a bad
character has character, so what ISN'T character?  Off the top of my head,
the non-character is one who just goes along with the crowd or does what he
thinks his mommy or church or govt. would approve.  The ultimate "other
directed" in Maslow terms.  Or was that Erich Fromme?



> >
> [Mary]
> The software has to conform to the underlying structure of the hardware.
> The hardware lays out the basic constraints.  Stay within the constraints
> and it's a free for all from there.  Or put another way, you can't grow
> tomatoes on the moon unaided.  I think our basic operating constraints
> pre-suppose subject-object logic and to overcome that is to violate those
> basic constraints.  Mystics achieving nirvana would be an example of a
> temporary violation.
>


John:

The Bodhisattva dwells outside of those constraints, and it's not a
temporary condition but an infinite one.  The writings of Taoist and C'han
patriarchs illuminates the world of Subject / Object from outside of a
metaphysical reliance upon the fundamentalness of the S/O worldview.

And that's the key to your confusion, I believe.  You take the ubiquitious
nature of Objectivism as proof of its fundament - it's metaphysical status.
But many great thinkers have overthrown the metaphysical status of S/O
thinking and in so doing, are intellectually outside of SOM.  Admittedly,
it's tricky thinking about it, which is why Zen is a rather tricky thing to
be "grasped".



>
> [Mary]
> At least we aren't stuck with French.  I love the beauty of the French
> language but always wondered why everything in it has a gender assignment.
> l'ordinateur (computer) I believe is male.  Someone will know.
>
>

Good ole Adrie.

I hated taking  French.  Feels like mumbling to speak it.  Mumbling with a
mouth full of merde.

Russian fascinates me.  I love speaking and listening to Russian.  Such a
rolling and beautiful language.  Reminds me of Spanish in many ways, which I
also appreciate.

Adios (go with Quality)

John