[MD] A larger system of understanding

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM,  <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 Jul 2010 at 19:35, Dan Glover wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM,  <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > At the risk of beating a dead horse and getting banned I offer the following
>> > Pirsig quote as further evidence that including the MOQ in the intellectual
>> > level doesn't make sense.
>> >
>> > "The Metaphysics of Quality resolves the relationship between intellect and
>> > society, subject and object, mind and matter, by embedding all of them in a
>> > larger system of understanding. Objects are inorganic and biological values;
>> > subjects are social and intellectual values." (Lila, 24)
>> >
>> > Perhaps someone can explain, if the MOQ is a set of subjective intellectual
>> > values how it can see itself as a set of subjective system of values --  the
>> > problem an eye seeing itself.
>>
>> Dan:
>> If my eye looks in a mirror it sees my eye. This is a good metaphor to
>> understand the solution to your problem, don't you think so, Platt?
>
> [Platt]
> Except Pirsig warned us that mirrors can distort reality. "But it was an
> assertion of the Metaphysics of Quality that there exists a reality beyond all
> these social mirrors. That he had explored. In fact there are two levels of
> reality beyond these mirrors: an intellectual reality and beyond that, a
> Dynamic reality." (Lila, 20) So no. I don't think a mirror is a good metaphor
> to solve the problem. .

Dan:
I was hoping you'd pick up on the MOQ being an intellectual system of
understanding reality and not reality itself as indicative of a mirror
through which we construct reality. The intellect looks back on
itself, so to speak, like a mirror. That is how it can see itself. I
suspect RMP is using his mirror metaphor in a different but still
accurate manner. This, my friend, is where multiple truths come in...
not in low quality statements.

Thank you,

Dan