[MD] Fear of Death

[X Acto]

John,
I think the best explanations are those that help us
redefine our reasons each time.

-Ron



----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 4:19:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Fear of Death

What occurs to me Ron, is that true rhetoric is the art of persuading one's
self, with an onlooker's dialogic help.

I mean who do I care about more than myself?  And thus who should I  argue
to convince?    If others agree with my argument, out of social concerns -
so that'll I'll like them or support them in some upcoming election, then
that's immoral and we all know it.

If they agree only based upon reason, then that's moral.  And the more
social approbation they have to overcome, in order to agree with what is
reasonable, the more moral they are.

This was Royce's answer to the question of why there was evil in the world.
The evil exists so that the good can come to be.  It's a process, ya know.

Thanks for becoming part of mine.



On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> John,
> I agree, it all about rhetoric. The art of persuasion.
>
>

> Sophists had it right. But since their wisdom was questioned,
>
> For they practiced the art to pusuade, explanations were to be
>
> based in reason. Very basic comon understanding of meaning.
>
> I can see where the idea of the spirit of the good, might be argued
>
> to be the most general principle of being.
>
> -Ron
>
>


>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:41:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Fear of Death
>
> Greetings Dan,
>
> I like what I've learned here about God.  Its through thinking and writing
> that I came to the conclusion that God is a high Quality pattern.  When you
> need  to create group unity, deal with fear of death, enforce a moral code,
> nothing comes in handier than a conceptualization of God.
>
> The problem comes in when this conceptualization becomes a static club to
> beat other people over the head.  But the same can happen with any rigidly
> held belief - witness the recent discussions of SOL, for instance.
>
> I also think that God is a high quality intellectual concept in the
> maturation of children.  They need something to attach to early, that they
> can grow out of later and become fully self-realized beings.  In order to
> create a strong individual, you need a strong metaphysical weight to push
> against.  I believe the MoQ could be a helpful tool in this process, but
> not
> by adopting a rigid anti-theistic attitude.  That just creates a hostile
> reaction in a world where the majority do believe in some kind of theos.
>
> Sometime, I'd like to revisit an old discussion that probably passed away
> before I (recently) came aboard.  The God = Good formulation hinted at in
> ZAMM and promised fuller explication in the next book, which never came.
>
> Take care,
>
> John
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