[MD] Gravity

[MarshaV]

Magnus,

No, I find it very interesting.  I like to try to understand, as best I can,  what is being considered just behind cutting edge.  I've listened to many lectures on Quantum Physics &etc. and have heard things both exciting and absurd.  I love it!!!   BUT, I believe all static patterns to be conventionally created:  ever-changing, relative, impermanent and false.  None are things-in-themselves.  Nonetheless, it is fascinating, and I thought Verlinde's paper might be interesting to others because of RMP's reference to gravity.    


Marsha
 
 


On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Magnus Berg wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> 
> I can't help but wonder, are you trying to say something with this thread? Is there an argument for or against some view?
> 
> 	Magnus
> 
> 
> 
> On 2010-07-14 17:25, MarshaV wrote:
>> Hi Magnus,
>> 
>> I heard a short interview with Verlinde on a pbs program.  When I get a chance I will search youtube hoping to find a more in-depth talk.
>> 
>> http://www.thetakeaway.org/2010/jul/14/argument-against-gravity/    (7minutes)
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:12 AM, Magnus Berg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha
>>> 
>>> Cool paper. And I hope you understand what he tried to do in MoQ terms? He tried to show how the inorganic pattern gravity is supported by the lower quantum level. He said he didn't "believe" in gravity anymore, but he also stated that gravity is an "emergent" property of space-time. So, if he doesn't believe in gravity, then he doesn't believe in space or time either.
>>> 
>>> He has simply moved a level down and now thinks that all levels above that are just emergent properties of his new ground zero level. But we MoQ people know that all levels are equally real. The most basic one is not more real just because all others depend on it.
>>> 
>>> The same thing can be said about smell, taste and other biological experiences. "They are just emergent properties of inorganic processes." But that doesn't recognize the biological reality of tasting a freshly harvested cucumber from your very own green house.
>>> 
>>> 	Magnus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2010-07-14 12:47, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100713/NEWS0107/7130383/1159/1159&nav_category=1159
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Believe in gravity? Better think again
>>>> 
>>>> It’s hard to imagine a more fundamental and ubiquitous aspect of life
>>>> on the Earth than gravity, from the moment you first took a step and
>>>> fell on your diapered bottom to the slow terminal sagging of flesh
>>>> and dreams.
>>>> 
>>>> But what if it’s all an illusion, a sort of cosmic frill, or a side
>>>> effect of something else going on at deeper levels of reality?
>>>> 
>>>> So says Erik Verlinde, 48, a respected string theorist and professor
>>>> of physics at the University of Amsterdam, whose contention that
>>>> gravity is indeed an illusion has caused a continuing ruckus among
>>>> physicists, or at least among those who profess to understand it.
>>>> Reversing the logic of 300 years of science, he argued in a recent
>>>> paper, titled “On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton,” that
>>>> gravity is a consequence of the venerable laws of thermodynamics,
>>>> which describe the behavior of heat and gases.
>>>> 
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