[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 18 Jul 2010 at 5:31, X Acto wrote:




[Platt]
Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing  
left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their 
existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where 
one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) 
whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. 

Ron:
SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of
blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason
because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement.

But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance.
Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM
or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator
which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs.

Hey Ron:

Perhaps you should be a bit more suspicious of reasons for your beliefs. Pirsig 

cautioned against such reliance in Lila:

"What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the socialists, 
REASONING intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently closed the door to 
Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things. They closed it because the 

metaphysical structure (SOM) of their objectivity never told them Dynamic 
Quality exists." (Lila, 17) (SOM and caps added)

Ron:
I suppose you missed the part where he states "reasoning OBJECTIVLY".

Socialists reasons were objective reasons  reasons that ignored value.

So this causes me no hesitation for the reasons for my own beliefs for I do not

reason in strict objective terms the way you seem to want to do.

[Platt]
How does your reasoning differ from objective, scientific reasoning? 


[Ron]
I can't even say that was a nice rhetorical tactic to derail the dialog.

That smokescreen had nothing to do with it , standard Platt chaff 

ejected to fool the bullshit seeking missle.

old old stuff Platt. Try something new atleast.

Love that quote do'nt you?

you should have it typed in brail so you can shove it up your ass
and read it..

now thats new.

[Platt]
Is there something about Pirsig's description of the difference between 
socialism and free enterprise you disagree with?