[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[MarshaV]

Khoo and John,

And I feel like crying...   


"Suppose we were able to share meanings freely without a compulsive 
urge to impose our view or conform to those of others and without 
distortion and self-deception. Would this not constitute a real 
revolution in culture." 
     (David Bohm) 
 

Marsha
 
 


On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:07 AM, John Carl wrote:

> Nice Khoo,
> 
> You really make the point well that we are engaged in an infinite process,
> and if we expect any sort of  finality we're going to be disappointed.
> 
> But even while our formulations and dialectical wrangling seem endless, we
> ought to also be progressing - getting us somewhere.
> 
> I myself feel happy and content with my own evolving ideas, generated by the
> many good ideas and thinkers on this list for their time, effort and care.
> I want to thank each and every contributor, the more infuriating, the
> better.
> 
> As always, Khoo,  you bring a fresh wind and a fresh perspective.
> 
> Good words, and I appreciate them.
> 
> 
> John.
> 
> 
> n Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Khoo Hock Aun <khoohockaun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> That many can read an author like Pirsig and come away with widely
>> differing
>> understandings is to be expected.
>> 
>> I would have thought a more open dynamic mind would be completely receptive
>> to what Pirsig was trying to convey. A closed static mind, sees the MOQ
>> only
>> in its own mould.  In Bo's case, I would venture fourth stage meta-stasis
>> had already set in years ago.
>> 
>> Pirsig should have added a caveat, that the MOQ is not for everyone to
>> grasp
>> at first instance. For some it could takes, years, decades or even a
>> lifetime.
>> 
>> Dave added:
>> 
>> 
>>> I really, really hate what you're doing to this place, clogging it up
>> with
>>> this hair-brained nonsense all the time. I listened to it for over a
>> decade
>>> now and I'm just sick to death of it. Please, get a hobby. Go away. Let
>> us
>>> do philosophy, will you? That would be "a promising development".
>>> 
>> Khoo would like to say:
>> 
>> I, for one, really appreciate all your exertions, as do all else who labour
>> like you do to clarify our understanding of the MOQ and Quality as
>> presented
>> by Pirsig.
>> 
>> It is not wasted, even if it might be on Bo.
>> 
>> It has helped instead to refresh our perspectives, place into context,
>> again
>> and again by repeated defence against the assault on Pirsig's MOQ.
>> 
>> Lurkers and newbies alike, if I may say so, who disdain but endure the
>> endless, sometimes pointless argumentation over basic definitions, see much
>> value in defending Pirsig's formulation of the MOQ, given that it is THAT
>> which drew them here in the first place, not a pretender's version.
>> 
>> If and when, we, as a discussion group,  leave all this "adolesecent"
>> sparring behind, I hope we can explore the new vistas an expanded
>> rationality can explore.
>> 
>> We still have not bridged Western and Eastern philosophies yet, which is
>> one
>> such great promise of the MOQ finding common ground I look forward to;
>> by understanding how Eastern civilisations have achieved their respective
>> intellectual levels as compared to the SOM-dominated Western worldview.
>> 
>> We will cross the bridge when we come to it. But we are not there yet.
>> Not when we still have to come to terms with tendencies no matter how overt
>> or latent, for Western hegemony over the rest of the world.
>> 
>> It does looks like a slog, but then again, who can ask for a better cast of
>> characters than on the this list to make philosophy an ongoing dynamic
>> battle, an everyday real-life clash of ideas sometimes couched in terms of
>> "biblical proportions" and implications. It gets the adrenaline pumping;
>> emotional drivers that help meld the static and the dynamic to yield
>> creative insight by the clash of the rhetorical swords.
>> 
>> You stay keen and sharp by your own vigilance for the real and good. This
>> state of mind does not come in the absence of opponents and detractors who
>> distract by imposing themselves on you.
>> 
>> Thats all they do and want to do.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Khoo Hock Aun
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