[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[Platt Holden]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> >
> > [Platt]
> > Is there something about Pirsig's description of the difference between
> > socialism and free enterprise you disagree with?
> >
> >
> > Ron:
> > None whatsoever, my problem is with your interpretation of it
> > which neglects the paragraphs surrounding that quote.
> > About how he states that socialism is more moral than capitolism
> > and his reasons why.He states socialisms only fault is that it
> > tries to plan a dynamic function. He states the only redeemable
> > quality of capitolism is the allowance for dynamic function within
> > it's econimic system.
> >
> > [Platt]
> > That "only fault" makes all the difference between the two systems,
> doesn't it?
> >
> > The "dynamic function" is the "redeemable quality" what makes capitalism
> > superior.
> >
> > Ron:
> > As an economic system it is more successful, but it's not morally
> superior.
> >
> > we do not agree.
>
> [Platt]
> Nor do you agree with Pirsig:
>
> "What makes the free-enterprise system SUPERIOR is that the socialists,
> reasoning intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently closed the door
> to
> Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things." (Lila, 17, emphasis
> added)
>
> It's perfectly OK to disagree with Pirsig, until you say and show evidence
> that
> he allows an SOM interpretation of the intellectual level. Then you become
> a
> persona non grata.
>
>
> Ron:
>
> ". From a static point of view SOCIALISM IS MORE MORAL THAN CAPITALISM.
>  It's a higher form of evolution. It is an intellectually guided society,
> not just a society that is guided by mindless traditions. That's what
> gives socialism its drive. "
>
> "the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of free enterprise
> are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They are just doing
> the
>  usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old exploitation of the poor"
>
> -Lila ch17 EMPHASIS MY OWN
>
> The same old quotes we keep throwing in your face Platt.
> We can fuck around with interpretations forever but at the
> end of the day yours just doesent hold water.
> plain and simple.
>
> Your tired old rhetoric just doesent cut it.
>

[Platt]
If you want to stick to a "static point of view" be my guest. I prefer a
Dynamic view which sees capitalism as clearly SUPERIOR to socialism.  I know
at the end of the day you find Pirsig's rhetoric about the superiority of
capitalism over socialism hard to accept. But, that's OK. I don't always
agree with his rhetoric either. In this case, the evidence in favor of
capitalism is overwhelming.