[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 19 Jul 2010 at 6:14, X Acto wrote:

> 
> 
>  >
> > > [Platt]
> > > Is there something about Pirsig's description of the difference between
> > > socialism and free enterprise you disagree with?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > > None whatsoever, my problem is with your interpretation of it
> > > which neglects the paragraphs surrounding that quote.
> > > About how he states that socialism is more moral than capitolism
> > > and his reasons why.He states socialisms only fault is that it
> > > tries to plan a dynamic function. He states the only redeemable
> > > quality of capitolism is the allowance for dynamic function within
> > > it's econimic system.
> > >
> > > [Platt]
> > > That "only fault" makes all the difference between the two systems,
> > doesn't it?
> > >
> > > The "dynamic function" is the "redeemable quality" what makes capitalism
> > > superior.
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > > As an economic system it is more successful, but it's not morally
> > superior.
> > >
> > > we do not agree.
> >
> > [Platt]
> > Nor do you agree with Pirsig:
> >
> > "What makes the free-enterprise system SUPERIOR is that the socialists,
> > reasoning intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently closed the door
> > to
> > Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things." (Lila, 17, emphasis
> > added)
> >
> > It's perfectly OK to disagree with Pirsig, until you say and show evidence
> > that
> > he allows an SOM interpretation of the intellectual level. Then you become
> > a
> > persona non grata.
> >
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > ". From a static point of view SOCIALISM IS MORE MORAL THAN CAPITALISM.
> >  It's a higher form of evolution. It is an intellectually guided society,
> > not just a society that is guided by mindless traditions. That's what
> > gives socialism its drive. "
> >
> > "the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of free enterprise
> > are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They are just doing
> > the
> >  usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old exploitation of the poor"
> >
> > -Lila ch17 EMPHASIS MY OWN
> >
> > The same old quotes we keep throwing in your face Platt.
> > We can fuck around with interpretations forever but at the
> > end of the day yours just doesent hold water.
> > plain and simple.
> >
> > Your tired old rhetoric just doesent cut it.
> >
> 
> [Platt]
> If you want to stick to a "static point of view" be my guest. I prefer a
> Dynamic view which sees capitalism as clearly SUPERIOR to socialism.  I know
> at the end of the day you find Pirsig's rhetoric about the superiority of
> capitalism over socialism hard to accept. But, that's OK. I don't always
> agree with his rhetoric either. In this case, the evidence in favor of
> capitalism is overwhelming.
> 
> Ron:
> > It's perfectly OK to disagree with Pirsig, until you say and show evidence
> > that Socialism is more moral than capitalism. Then you become
> > a persona non grata.
> In either case the evidence, "SOCALISM IS MORE MORAL THAN CAPITALISM"
> is enough, he never said capitalism is superior to socialism.never, find a 
> quote.

[Platt]
The quote:

"What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the socialists, 
reasoning intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently closed the door to 
Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things. They closed it because the 
metaphysical structure of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality 
exists." (Lilal, 17)