[MD] A.I.

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On 20 Jul 2010 at 17:37, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

[Platt to Ham]
I think you have a point there, in fact, a couple of points. Gelerntner, like
other science types, is sure that mind emerges magically from matter. Big
error, but locked into SOM metaphysics, no other conclusion is possible. Pirsig
flirts with the same assumption but saves the MOQ with his indefinable DQ that
trumps SOM's mind-from-matter value. 

[Arlo]
Actually, Pirsig does not posit that intellectual patterns are created by DQ,
he says (correctly) that intellectual patterns emerge from social patterns. But
Pirsig is not alone in thinking this, as he himself points to several others
who have said as much, and today most "science types" I know understand that
"our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived." (LILA)

[Platt]
"Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which 
we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our 
world." (Lila, 9)