[MD] an attempt at sharing good idea

[John Carl]

Andy,

I appreciate your feedback, since you're a Texan AND a programmer, you've
got input I'd like on the idea.


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com> wrote:


>
> The solution you wrote makes my stomach ache. Disgusting!


John:

On second thought.... :-)

Andy:

But I'm sure
> you don't share my feeling that bureaucrats can't be trusted with such
> power as that.
>

John:

Wrong.  I'm an advocate of completely open source governance.  Symbolically
we'd start by making linux the lingua franca of all governmental computing
and tell Redmond to kiss our red, white and blue ass.

I don't blanche and quake at national databases.  Perhaps you didn't notice,
but my formulae takes regional inputs and outputs dynamic quotas to meet
needs with flexibility.  For instance, times of national disaster would be
appropriate for opening the floodgates to laborers, and if properly managed
would be a great boon to re-building.

It sounds to me like you been hanging around too many fundamentalists, Andy.
 I ain't proposin' no "mark of the beast" card.  It's just an easy way to
keep track of people who voluntarily sign up in order to enjoy travel,
shopping and managed labor across the borders.


Andy:

>
> It's too soon for a solution anyway. The problem is insufficiently
> analyzed.


John:

Well, let's start then.

Andy:


> What are the conflicting values? They are many. Here are a
> few.
>
> Taxpayers may feel it is unfair when others do not pay. Illegal
> immigrants who try to pay income tax are at greater risk for capture
> and deportation. Thus illegal immigrants are virtually always tax
> scofflaws, a target for the feelings of unfairness.
>


John:

Completely eliminated in my system.  The penalties for hiring undocumented
workers would be draconian - definitionally equivalent to subborning
terrorism.  All workers have to carry and present their cards, and anyone
with internet access could view an online data base aligning pictures and
cards.  Thumbprints are also good verification that prevent forgeries.

Andy:

>
> Nationalistic citizens who value their citizenship perhaps too much
> the way they value their sports team may feel that foreigners do not
> deserve to live in the promised land.
>
>
John:

Ok, first, Promised land?  Most mexicans who come here really like living in
Mexico.  I don't blame them, many Gringos enjoy living in Mexico too!  But
they come for the expanded economic opportunity and most if given the
choice, like living here part time, there part time.

Anyway, my system is designed to allow visitation and guest worker status.
 If the correct criteria for long term residence are met, then fine.  With a
system open to regional, dynamically generated inputs, we'd have no
problems.

Often the illegal immigrant would rather return to mexico, but it's so hard
to get back they end up staying and perpetuating more problems than if we'd
regularize the whole process.

Andy:


> People on the receiving end of public assistance programs may feel
> their share of the purse is threatened by the increase in the segment
> of the population qualifying for assistance.
>
>
John:

I did mention that regulating the worker included extra taxes deducted from
their paycheck, to cover the social services provided.  And you'd have to
have a card to get social services, so over time it'd be simple to track
what each guest worker has contributed, vs. what they've cost.  And make
adjustments in the alogorithms which control entry frequency and duration of
visit.

Andy:

People on the providing end of public assistance (taxpayers not
> receiving assistance) may feel their after-tax income threatened by
> the possible increase in public assistance.
>
>
John:

As above.

Andy:

People who value their skin color may feel threatened by the
> increasing population of people having a different skin color.
>

John:

I don't know what to say to this.  Tough shit?

Like I pointed out, regional input would negatively affect the numbers
allowed.  If people are frustrated to this extent, they'd log on and post
their reactions which would limit the guest workers in their areas.

You sound pretty negative on allowing MORE immigration, I get that.  I'm not
necessarily arguing for that.  I'm arguing for more control on immigration
and visitation.

Thanks for sounding off, Andy

John