[MD] Essentials for target practice

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Tue Jul 20 23:18:53 PDT 2010


On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Ham Priday wrote:

>> John:
>> An old friend of mine, Grego, used to say humorously, "reality, what a
>> concept".  And obviously, reality is a concept, but if you point out there
>> is an objective reality outside of our conceptualization, I can't argue
>> with you, but I can't really see much usefulness in saying anything about it.
>> For we are stuck with our concepts, always.
> 
> Ham:
> It's true that Reality is a concept.  But so is Existence, as you and others have pointed out.  Pirsig even turned it into a metaphysics!  In fact we hold empirical knowledge as so many concepts.  Physical principles, evolution, relativity, mathematics, geometry and calculus -- they're all concepts.  Marsha would argue that everything we know or experience is a "pattern".  Does that make it any less "real" for us than, say, a phenomenon or an object?
> 

Hi Ham,

The difference between an independent object and a pattern is immense.  One can possess or own an object, but one can never own a pattern.  A pattern is participation. 


Marsha 
 
___
 




More information about the Moq_Discuss mailing list