[MD] Essentials for target practice
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Tue Jul 20 23:18:53 PDT 2010
On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Ham Priday wrote:
>> John:
>> An old friend of mine, Grego, used to say humorously, "reality, what a
>> concept". And obviously, reality is a concept, but if you point out there
>> is an objective reality outside of our conceptualization, I can't argue
>> with you, but I can't really see much usefulness in saying anything about it.
>> For we are stuck with our concepts, always.
>
> Ham:
> It's true that Reality is a concept. But so is Existence, as you and others have pointed out. Pirsig even turned it into a metaphysics! In fact we hold empirical knowledge as so many concepts. Physical principles, evolution, relativity, mathematics, geometry and calculus -- they're all concepts. Marsha would argue that everything we know or experience is a "pattern". Does that make it any less "real" for us than, say, a phenomenon or an object?
>
Hi Ham,
The difference between an independent object and a pattern is immense. One can possess or own an object, but one can never own a pattern. A pattern is participation.
Marsha
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