[MD] Social Intellectual

[Joseph Maurer]

On 7/22/10 8:28 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

 
Hi Marsha V and All,
 
[Marsha]
And I believe there is the beginning of a quality-ievel (not DQ) which will
represent a going beyond thoughts as we know them.  The Intellectual
Level will/is its parent.  This belief is built on my experience via
meditation.  

[Joe]
DQ/SQ is exhaustive and I think the perception of a Quality level is DQ.
Evolution SQ is a concept for describing DQ in quality-levels.  Evolution
adds its own principle of individuation to the individuals within a level.
Therefore the levels are discreet.  It can be confusing keeping levels and
individuals named after the levels separate.
 
[Marsha]
I understand the metaphysical assumption underlying intellectual patterns
to be of the subject-object variety.  It is deeply embedded in our psyche
(habits) and deeply imbedded in our language.  But then I speak only of
intellectual static patterns of value only.  I exclude words like intellect
and intelligence because they confuse the issue.
 
[Joe]
I am unclear about how a faculty for perception like intellect confuses the
intellectual static patterns of value unless it is confusing DQ/SQ at the
intellectual level with DQ only emotional, higher emotional and higher
intellectual levels.
 
[Marsha]
The most basic definition of metaphysics is the branch of philosophy that
examines the nature of reality. A metaphysics represents reality. And sure
it described and re-described and re-described, but under it all they are
all varieties of subject- object reality.  Enlightenment, it seems to me, is
about transcending self and object thinking.
 
[Joe]
The intellectual level is SOL in DQ/SQ evolution.  I accept an emotional, a
higher emotional, and a higher intellectual level in DQ only evolution.  I
do not know if the last two levels agree with your view of enlightenment.
 
Joe


> Marsha:
> And I believe there is the beginning of a quality-ievel (not DQ) which will
> represent a going beyond thoughts as we know them.  The Intellectual
> Level will/is its parent.  This belief is built on my experience via
> meditation.  
> 
> 
> 
> I understand the metaphysical assumption underlying intellectual patterns
> to be of the subject-object variety.  It is deeply embedded in our psyche
> (habits) 
> and deeply imbedded in our language.  But then I speak only of intellectual
> static 
> patterns of value only.  I exclude words like intellect and intelligence
> because 
> they confuse the issue.
> 
> 
>> SOM is an intellectual description of reality, not the capacity
>> to create intellectual descriptions. Big difference.
> 
> The most basic definition of a metaphysics is the branch of
> philosophy that examines the nature of reality.  A metaphysics
> represents reality.  And sure it described and re-described and
> re-described, but under it all they are all varieties of subject- object
> reality.  Enlightenment, it seems to me, is about transcending self and
> object thinking. 
> 
> Marsha  
>    
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