[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[David Thomas]

On 7/23/10 4:02 PM, "David Buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

> DT said:
> I would add that the transfer of information between levels must be both ways
> between the social and intellectual. I've taken to thinking that the two upper
> levels might be better represented a one level split down the middle. Isn't
> odd that a Wikipedia search for "intellect" redirects you to intelligence and
> ....
> 
> 
> dmb says:
> 
> If you want to get at the difference between the social and intellectual
> levels, I think you probably want to google around with the terms "mythos" and
> "logos". I found a college website that gives you the basic idea. Please
> notice the end, where it corroborates Pirsig's view of the point of
> departure...

You miss my point. If right now, at this instant, the MoQ is absolutely 100%
correct:

Can the social level control the intellectual level?
If so how is this accomplished?

I can think of only of one way under the MoQ this could happen. By ignoring
or suppressing the intellectual level either completely or selectively. But
even that doesn't really work because supposed the social level is unaware
of the intellectual level.

I have no disagreement with using mythic to logos as terms to describe the
worldview transition that started in Greek culture. Worldviews (which is the
term your referenced article uses so I have to believe you agree with its
use) describes one type of mental change. It does not happen collectively
but one individual at a time. So while logos may have been dominate in Greek
culture it was probably only so in the 10% of the population that were the
elite, probably not all of them, and then not completely. But the problem
with this whole take is that if the social level is dependant on individual
worldview does in not disappear when the change from the mythic worldview
happens? If that is so then as we all slowly evolve to the logos level does
not the social level disappears?

This is weirder quantum mechanics.

Dave