[MD] spanner in the works

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Andre

22 July:

Bodvar to John:
> > Intellect = SOM and emerged along with the MOQ,
 
Andre:
> This is your interpretation Bodvar...you are continuing your deviant
> tricks.

When you returned a few days ago you started out in a strange mellow 
tone, good to see you back in your "exasperated-over-Bo" self.

 > > SOM is also a MOQ creation.

> Indeed it can be interpreted as such but SOM was identified long
> before the MOQ.( e.g. James, Northrop and I am sure dmb can, and has
> produced, many more). The MOQ, imho reduced SOM to an intellectual
> PATTERN of quality arguing that there are many different ways of
> interpreting/understanding the world. Not just the scientific pattern
> that dominates Western culture (and was identified by Phaedrus as
> emerging with Aristotle).

Nowhere does the said thinkers identify any Subject/Object 
Metaphysics. As I've said a million times while I was in my "Sturm und 
Drang" years and browsed the philosophy shelves in libraries did I find 
any SOM, only a lot about the Mind/Matter split, how it was "resolved",  
by everything being mind or everything being matter. Only with Pirsig 
identifying it as a metaphysics arriving in historical times with the 
Greeks .... etc. did lightning hit, particularly as SOM became the 
"intellectual" part of his new MOQ. You have been seduced by DMB 
like he was by Paul Turner in it's time and now neither of you can 
return to "sanity", it's become a matter of prestige.  

> > Yes, I definitely reject the Sophists representing DQ, no one can live
> > in a dynamic state, the static range is our abode. They had either to
> > represent the old Aret? (=social) era (but this was at least a thousand
> > years in the past) or represent SOM's subjectivism and everything points
> > to it.
 
> You continue your interpretation without overtly acknowledging it is
> YOUR interpretation Bodvar! The Sophists were teaching Quality (Arete)
> which means excellence in any endeavour, it is not confined to the
> 'social'.

'Course it's my opinion but one can't start or end every sentence with 
an IMO, and of course the Sophists taught quality, all Greeks claimed 
"aretê", as we also do. Yet it would be fun to know what "teaching DQ" 
would entail in a MOQ context. ZAMM must be seen in a MOQ 
backlight and it's more than plain that they were intellect-as-SOM's 
budding subjectivists.  

> I am not even going to elaborate on your 'represent SOM's
> subjectivism'. It is just plain low quality.

Phew! What a relief.

Bodvar