[MD] Social Intellectual

[MarshaV]

On Jul 24, 2010, at 1:08 PM, david buchanan wrote:

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> Pirsig said:
> "This may sound as though a purpose of the MOQ is to trash all subject-object thought but that not true. Unlike SOM the MOQ does not insist on a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate reality then were permitted only one construction of things - that which corresponds to the 'objective' world - and all other constructions are unreal. But if Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes possible for more than one set of truths to exist.  ... There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more quality than others,.. ... Both are simply intellectual patterns for interpreting reality and one can only say that in some circumstances rectangular coordinates provide a better, simpler explanation." (Lila 100) 
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> Bo replied:
> "Intellectual patterns for interpreting reality" is SOM to the hilt. An objective reality "out there" with countless subjective interpretations "in here". We see how the QUALITY/MOQ meta-metaphysics fits this. Quality now the objective realm with the MOQ one of the many subjective interpretations. Good Grief.
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> dmb says:
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> This is probably THEE central misconception from which all of your nonsense flows. You are interpreting this as if Quality were an objective reality, which is exactly what it is NOT. So-called objective reality is what it is regardless of what we think about it and there can only ever be one so-called objective truth because there is only one objective reality, the physical universe. The MOQ rejects that notion and replaces it with Dynamic Quality. DQ is direct everyday experience, not matter or material reality. It is not an objective reality that is what it is regardless of whether or not anyone knows about it. As William James put it, "realities are what they are experienced as". This assertion is positioned AGAINST the idea that reality is "out there", separate from our experience of it. Instead, the idea that reality is "out there" is relegated to secondary status. It's just an idea, derived from the primary empirical reality, which is just the cutting edge of experience itself and not a thing, not a substance, that is not yet sorted into categories like "physical" or "psychical".
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Marsha:
Static patterns of value are overlaid onto Dynamic Quality to interpret reality.  SOM interprets this overlaid reality as "out there".  You, dmb, are misrepresenting what Bo is saying for the sake of winning an argument rather than understanding.  It is not very intellectual to dismiss everything that doesn't fit your world-view.   
 
 
 
 
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