[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[Krimel]

[Mary]
Arlo and dmb are struggling with a set of platypi below due to an incorrect
definition of the Intellectual Level.  The unsolvable questions they are
asking can be dissolved if it is understood that the Intellectual Level is
not brains, smarts, intellect, or degree of intelligence.  Nor is it a
bucket where you put thoughts, premises, ideas, or 'thinking itself'.  If
instead of this, you define the Intellectual Level as a pattern of values
which value subject-object logic and deny the primacy of value in the
Universe, then all these questions go away, or become moot, or are solved,
etc.

[Krimel]
A "level" is not a pattern. It is a collection of patterns of a similar
type. It is a tool for organizing and thinking about patterns. Defining it
as merely, a definition that makes your problems go away is about as foolish
as Ham positing an uncreated source as a solution to ex nihlo fit. It would
be like claiming that Quality is defined as THE solution to every problem.
You name the problem and the solution is: Quality; well Quality or 42
depending on your level of math anxiety.