[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

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David T. and David MB, Absolutely All!!!.

On 23 July:
 
David T had said:
> > I would add that the transfer of information between levels must be both
> > ways between the social and intellectual. I've taken to thinking that
> > the two upper levels might be better represented a one level split down
> > the middle. Isn't odd that a Wikipedia search for "intellect" redirects
> > you to intelligence and ....

I'm not sure what your point is about "transfer of information between 
levels" nor about "the two upper levels better represented as one level 
split ...etc."  (and I am accused of distorting the MOQ!!! ;-) About 
searching for "intellect" and being redirected to "intelligence" it's just 
natural, in the SOM  former term has come to mean any turning of 
mental wheels.  

DMB comments:
> If you want to get at the difference between the social and
> intellectual levels, I think you probably want to google around with
> the terms "mythos" and "logos". I found a college website that gives
> you the basic idea. Please notice the end, where it corroborates
> Pirsig's view of the point of departure...
 
> MYTHOS and LOGOS Sandra LaFaveWest Valley College 

    MYTHOS (Mythic world view) Some people have called the 
    mythic world-view oeprimitive or oeirrational. In the mythic 
    experience of life, math/logic type thinking is not as important 
    as high emotionality "low focus, high affect".  

Q-social as Mythos. That was you your thesis when you entered this 
discussion before Turner turned your head and is just spot on . 
Regarding (your) "....notice the end, where it corroborates  Pirsig's 
view of the point of departure..." it corroborates Phaedrus' of ZAMM 
that intellect arrived with the Greek thinkers (of which Thales was the 
first) as SOM, but not with the latter day Pirsig.  

Sandra LaFave:

    THALES (c. 600 BCE) represents the transition from Mythic to 
    Logical world-view in the West.  

And Q-intellect as Logos is if possible even more also right. 

    LOGOS (Logical world view) The logos world-view is what we  
    usually call oemodern or oerational.  

If this is your present position DMB you are on your way to the real 
"strong" MOQ. And its intellectual level cannot be expanded to 
accommodate the MOQ unless it changes from Logos back into 
SOM's mind. But I knew from the good old days that you were a real 
thinker, now it depends on the Guardians if they like your new 
development.   


Bodvar