[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[Krimel]

[Ham]
In her effort to be concise, Mary fell prey to a non-sequitor definition: "a

pattern of values which value
subject-object logic."  Obviously values don't value, even as "patterns". 
But Krimmel, who was quick to criticize her explanation, committed a similar

error when asserting that "Defining it as ...a definition is about as 
foolish as Ham positing an uncreated source as a solution to ex nihilo fit."

Leaving aside the promise of "solving ALL problems", one problem 
philosophers with intellectual integrity historically acknowledge is 
expressed by the metaphysical principle: 'Ex nihilo nihil fit' [Nothing is 
created by nothing].  Now, I don't know how Krimmel would resolve this 
paradox, nor do I claim that it's "THE solution to every problem,"  but I 
know of no other solution to THIS fundamental problem than an "uncreated 
source".

[Krimel]
Perhaps the problem has no solution. Your making up shit certainly doesn't
solve anything but the problem of your own discomfort with the matter. It
does even "solve" the problem. I recently read in revealing work on this
subject called, "Because a Little Bug Went Kachoo." In it the hero of the
story, a little bug, sneezes setting off a whole chain of events. But by the
end of the tale although the bug is still revered within the story, he
hardly matters. He could have been squashed or gobbled up by a bird. The
"source" of a chain of causation need not play any further role in the chain
than sneezing.